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Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Re: Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Post by integraton »

vmind wrote: post #14
adambard wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it does have a fairly tight integration with clojure, and also uses the JVM-based closure compiler. However, I'd way rather see a clojurescript runtime for v8 than another language "inspired by" clojurescript.

Do you mean a ClojureScript compiler compiled to JavaScript? ClojureScript can be compiled and run in v8 just fine right now.

How do you compile clojurescript without the JVM?

Re: Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Post by leishulang »

vmind wrote: post #14
adambard wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it does have a fairly tight integration with clojure, and also uses the JVM-based closure compiler. However, I'd way rather see a clojurescript runtime for v8 than another language "inspired by" clojurescript.

Do you mean a ClojureScript compiler compiled to JavaScript? ClojureScript can be compiled and run in v8 just fine right now.

https://github.com/Bronsa/CinC

when this is done. Some people are working hard on it.

Re: Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Post by evacchi »

roryokane wrote: post #17

See also LispyScript ( http://lispyscript.com/ ), “a JavaScript with Lispy syntax and macros”. Like Ki, it requires inclusion of a standard library. Unlike Ki, it does not provide alternative data structures in addition to native JS values; it only uses native JS values. LispyScript also does not support embedded JavaScript or being embedded within JavaScript. But LispyScript currently has better docs, including a pa…

also JavathScript http://kybernetikos.github.io/Javathcript/

Re: Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Post by j_s »

I'd appreciate any opinions on how usable something like this or ClojureScript is to transition to in an enterprise / team environment. How can I sell that switch to my employer and co-workers?

Re: Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Post by chc »

adambard wrote: post #6
jhh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ClojureScript is not executed on the JVM.

But it does have a fairly tight integration with clojure, and also uses the JVM-based closure compiler. However, I'd way rather see a clojurescript runtime for v8 than another language "inspired by" clojurescript.

V8 already is a ClojureScript runtime, isn't it?

Re: Ki – A lisp for your JavaScript

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Post by klibertp »

j_s wrote: post #27

I'd appreciate any opinions on how usable something like this or ClojureScript is to transition to in an enterprise / team environment. How can I sell that switch to my employer and co-workers?

You can't. Forget it.

I mean, there is a whole long list of benefits of functional programming, immutable/persistent data structures, macros and so on. But Lisps and functional oriented languages (like Roy, LiveScript) are also unfamiliar, not supported in your favourite IDE, make you think in a way you're not accustomed to and eat your kittens for lunch.

You have a chance with ClojureScript if the backend is in Clojure - other than this there is just no way to introduce something like this.

As for usability, ClojureScript works very, very well. Async is well implemented (if you like CPS model), JS scoping is fixed and so on. LiveScript is also quite usable, although it lacks source map implementation for now. Backcalls make async nice but stay close to JS, currying and partials are nice, easy object cloning makes up for inherent mutability. For my personal projects I use LS instead of JS or Coffee exclusively now.

But they are completely unusable in enterprise environment. And probably won't ever be. It would also be very hard to find a team which would like to adopt them without knowing them beforehand (rightly so, IMHO, because transitioning to another paradigm - and benefiting from it - is not a trivial matter) and about as hard (or harder) to find a team where they are known already.

Your best bet is probably to contribute to LightTable a lot and seek a job in Clojure oriented start-up if you want to use ClojureScript at work.

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