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Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by [deleted] »

thras wrote: post #19
javanix wrote: post #18

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I'm not sure I agree with you. Karma as a measure of personal worth is silly, but as a way of cutting down on trolls it works pretty well. That number at the top of the screen is something that I'd bet the Reddit and TechCrunch commentors would care deeply about, and as such, it keeps them from dumbing down the discussion here too much. In any case, HN is by far the best self-moderated discussion forum I've ever seen…

I like Karma, because it means that established members don't have to worry too much about how any particular post will be received, and can present unpopular points of view without too much penalty.

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Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by adrianwaj »

pg wrote: post #32
brk wrote: post #17

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While we're on the topic of suggestions that aren't likely to be implemented ;) I like to see the user name hidden on comments and submissions until after you vote and/or reply. Judge the content on the content alone, not on the author.

Intriguing idea. Maybe I'll do something like that.

Just wondering if you see the same HN as everyone else? Are there tools for power users you'd suggest? Have you ever had a negative karma score placed on a comment?

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by diN0bot »

hughprime wrote: post #38
pg wrote: post #32

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Intriguing idea. Maybe I'll do something like that.

I don't think that the upside (creating a marginally fairer karma system) would outweigh the downside (making the whole site a whole lot less readable).

what about this: make up random names for people. these names should be consistent for the entire discussion on this page across page views, but different for a different discussion.

i've never been able to remember who someone is or what they do. the benefit of trusting A more on a security issue because A has proven himself to be a master of security issues...well, that's a tough problem. i'd rather see anonymous names, no karma and a security certificate.

karma is useful to draw n00bs into the system--i found it pretty darn cool when i started out. now i don't care at all. after 200 points they should disappear: now you've earned yourself a real soul.

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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calambrac wrote: post #36
brk wrote: post #17

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While we're on the topic of suggestions that aren't likely to be implemented ;) I like to see the user name hidden on comments and submissions until after you vote and/or reply. Judge the content on the content alone, not on the author.

I disagree. There are people on here that I don't want to waste my time reading at all, they're more or less consistent trolls (who knows, maybe I'm one for some people). I may miss out on some accidentally or authentically insightful commentary now and then because I completely skip over comments by certain people, but there's enough insightful commnentary in the universe that I can live with it. Reputations are imp…

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Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by billswift »

nir wrote: post #16

The whole idea of "Karma" is silly. It encourages conforming to majority views and rewards people who are talkative rather than insightful - often mutually exclusive groups, since insight is gained by thinking & doing rather than posting comments. I think HN would do well to drop karma scores altogether, making this script a non-issue to begin with.

Karma can be more courteous than having to tell someone he's got his head up his butt; just downvote him, if enough people agree he should get the hint.

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by pyre »

sachinag wrote: post #37
pg wrote: post #32

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Intriguing idea. Maybe I'll do something like that.

The issue is that respondents may start addressing their comments to nerf such a change. Instead of: "You're forgetting something", you may get: "tdavis, you're forgetting something."

True, but that person could get appropriately down-voted for that 'work around' if enough people dislike it.

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by hughprime »

nir wrote: post #16

The whole idea of "Karma" is silly. It encourages conforming to majority views and rewards people who are talkative rather than insightful - often mutually exclusive groups, since insight is gained by thinking & doing rather than posting comments. I think HN would do well to drop karma scores altogether, making this script a non-issue to begin with.

What if the karma system were kept, but people could only see their own karma score and not others'?

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by billswift »

randallsquared wrote: post #11
algorias wrote: post #7

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Kind of? sounds almost like a DOS attack to me...

Well, that's why the IP is blocked -- it looks like a DoS attack to the server software as well. Are there different terms for intentional DoS attacks, as opposed to incidental ones like this? I have the impression that two separate terms might have made your meaning clearer. :)

Maliciousness has limits; stupidity has none. Paraphrasing Napoleon

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by gloob »

randallsquared wrote: post #11
algorias wrote: post #7

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Kind of? sounds almost like a DOS attack to me...

Well, that's why the IP is blocked -- it looks like a DoS attack to the server software as well. Are there different terms for intentional DoS attacks, as opposed to incidental ones like this? I have the impression that two separate terms might have made your meaning clearer. :)

Are there different terms for intentional DoS attacks, as opposed to incidental ones like this?

Denial Of Service Slip-up? ;)

Re: Please don't use hnreputation

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Post by Bleys »

rincewind wrote: post #26
brk wrote: post #17

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While we're on the topic of suggestions that aren't likely to be implemented ;) I like to see the user name hidden on comments and submissions until after you vote and/or reply. Judge the content on the content alone, not on the author.

I trust security advice from tptacek or cperciva more than from [name withheld until you vote]. Threads get really confusing when [name withheld until you vote] argues with himself all the time.

You would just need to break out the gensyms to resolve the differentiation issue.
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