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Re: Only Apple

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> Whether open (Google) or closed (Microsoft), platforms that run on multiple OEM devices are the right way forward. After a six-month experiment with Android on a Nexus 5, I couldn't disagree more. Separating the folks who make the OS from the folks who make the device just leads to compromises. Apple has the right model. Just look at what they've managed to do, for example, with battery life. Nobody can match the h…

I honestly couldn't find a complaint with the Nexus 5. It's a stunning, fluid device. The only leg up in my eyes for the iPhone is the better app curation, but as someone who uses mostly web apps and Hangouts that's not a big demerit to me.

My biggest complaint is that it's just buggier than the Lumia I had before, or the iPhone 5 I had before that.

Re: Only Apple

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I think this points to Apple's fundamental weakness: when they can't control the experience, their efforts are second-rate. It's a weird binary behavior that's tied to the pre-internet days. You buy into Apple's ecosystem and you do Apple-y things and you'll have a world class experience, a 9 or 10 on a 10 point scale. But as soon as you start interfacing with anything else, especially something messy like the Intern…

Excellent comment. The only thing I would contest is the last comment about Samsung. It is like 1/3 of South Korea's economy, but its not a true comparable because it functions more like a keiretsu [0]. At it's core, it's a bank that finances many companies operating in different industries that cooperate when it makes sense. They are a giant in computing, but they also draw a ton of strength from other lines of busi…

Kind of off-topic but the Korean term for a Samsung type of company is Chaebol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

Re: Only Apple

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If you wanted to argue against what the op was saying, then you had no reason whatsoever for putting brand new words in op's mouth and attacking those words. But that's what you did, which is why your entire argument is a meaningless straw man attack. And now you're trying to tell me I'm doing the same thing to you? That's preposterous. Stop trying to be evasive and just admit you committed a rather obvious and stupi…

since you only seem interested in being defensive ; just admit you committed a rather obvious and stupid logical fallacy The very first thing I did was accommodate your complaint , and change the words to what you wanted (and clearly mark it as an edit). That it didn't change the semantics of what I said at all suggests that it wasn't a logical fallacy. And given that all you've done here is attack, attack, attack, w…

> The very first thing I did was ... change the words

You did not mention that you had changed the words, and Hacker News does not present me with older posts in the thread, so I literally had no idea you did that. Since you changed the words, why didn't you just say so, instead of trying to defend your straw man?

Also, now that you've changed the words, I still disagree with what you wrote, because you're making an implicit assumption as to what it means for a company to be important, without defining that assumption. And without defining that assumption, you don't really have a basis for claiming that the op is wrong. Obviously op is wrong by your definition of important, but not wrong by their definition of important.

But at least it isn't a straw man anymore.

> And given that all you've done here is attack, attack, attack, what do you expect me to do other than be defensive?

I told you that you were committing a very obvious logical fallacy, and instead of simply saying "you're right, I've now changed the wording so my argument is no longer depending upon that logical fallacy", you started trying to accuse me of what is ultimately a meaningless non-semantic distinction in an attempt to trivialize and discredit my original response.

> Since you like logic, you'll like this: if you don't understand what I'm saying, then it's not a straw man on my part

That's bullshit. I do understand what you're saying. It may not be what you meant to say, but I can't look inside your head and figure out what you meant to say, all I can do is respond to the actual argument you write down. If that argument is wrong, the fault does not lie with me in pointing out the straw man, the fault lies with you in not expressing your argument in a manner that can be understood correctly and without logical fallacy.

> Not once have you 'just admitted' that you might have been off-kilter, not even an "I still disagree with you, but yeah, I could have behaved better"

What? What is this, kindergarden? Do I have to apologize to you for disagreeing with your argument and pointing out a logical fallacy? That's ridiculous. Nothing I have said in this thread is needlessly antagonistic or rude, or otherwise uncalled-for. The fact that you went on the defensive instead of appropriately responding to my criticism does not make my criticism something that I need to apologize for.

Re: Only Apple

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The z1c has a 60% larger battery and weights 25% more. Ounce for ounce, or per mAh, though, the iPhone has really impressive battery life. Where it really excels is standby and radio power management. 10 hours of LTE browsing on Anand's and GSMArena's tests. My Nexus 5 is often on its last legs by midday with less than two hours of screen-on, because it'll chew through its battery in weaker-signal conditions. The iPh…

10-12 hrs sounds exaggerated, I've never once seen a MPB last even ~5 hrs with light use.

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Re: Only Apple

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Can you explain why anyone would not turn on iCloud backups for their device?

Privacy concerns. Speed. Efficiency. Mobile data costs.

Noting that those are just dimensions, and not an explanation, is there any better alternative on any handset along any of those dimensions? (also icloud backup doesn't use mobile data)

Re: Only Apple

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"I don't know about others, but I don't want to live in a world where my only option to control my house, car, and life is to go to an Apple store." Me either. Even so, I still believe Apple got the model right. If only we could live in a world where we have a healthy competitive ecosystem of Apple-like companies. Then you would have many options at hand to control your house, car, and life.

> Me either. I think this attitude is a very typical of HN and very atypical of the larger world. Almost everyone I know who does not work in tech would be completely enamored of a single Apple device which seamlessly interfaces with their house, car and life. They would love to live in that world--and soon will. All this hand-wringing by a niche community over Apple's lack of openness seems incongruous when compared…

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Re: Only Apple

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> Me either. I think this attitude is a very typical of HN and very atypical of the larger world. Almost everyone I know who does not work in tech would be completely enamored of a single Apple device which seamlessly interfaces with their house, car and life. They would love to live in that world--and soon will. All this hand-wringing by a niche community over Apple's lack of openness seems incongruous when compared…

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You're literally doing it wrong.

Quit using iPhoto sync. Use Photostream albums. Then every device is a shared master.

Re: Only Apple

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> Me either. I think this attitude is a very typical of HN and very atypical of the larger world. Almost everyone I know who does not work in tech would be completely enamored of a single Apple device which seamlessly interfaces with their house, car and life. They would love to live in that world--and soon will. All this hand-wringing by a niche community over Apple's lack of openness seems incongruous when compared…

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Well, actually, it's not my iPhone & my roommate is borrowing my laptop to delete his photo. I guess he "did it wrong" and he is now unable to delete the photos.

We did create a Photostream album for his photos from the iPhone. It didn't work out so great. Not able to get most of the photos (certainly not the ones he wants to delete) onto the computer as he has many albums. Very confusing & broken experience :-(

> You're literally doing it wrong.

Great tactic to blame the user for a broken UX. In the end, many users don't care about iPhoto sync vs Photostreams vs whatever else is the latest & greatest from WWDC. Why is it the user's burden to keep up with Apple developer culture to delete a photo?

I use an Android, which has a delete photo button on the device, btw ;-)

The moral of the story is cross device collaboration is great in concept, however it still has to work with simplicity & convention within the "real world". People want to delete & edit media from the device, not some sort of media manager program on a laptop.

The other challenge is things get geometrically more complicated with multiple devices. A simple light switch is simple compared to using an iPad to turn off the light. That is simpler than having a timing or sensor mechanism to control the environment.

Re: Only Apple

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"I don't know about others, but I don't want to live in a world where my only option to control my house, car, and life is to go to an Apple store." Me either. Even so, I still believe Apple got the model right. If only we could live in a world where we have a healthy competitive ecosystem of Apple-like companies. Then you would have many options at hand to control your house, car, and life.

And you would have to make sure you bought them all from the same company. That is the problem. What if the company makes a great phone but a terrible refrigerator?

Exactly. Apple has this issue. Their airports have excellent software but atrocious hardware with crappy antennas. I'm waiting until there is either decent dd-wrt support for Ubiquiti's UniFi AC enterprise router or until Securifi's Almond+ ships[0]. I can't wait until I have a solid alternative so I can dump my TimeCapsule. Alternatively, I've heard good things about pFsense on OpenBSD paired with a solid antenna card.

[0] http://www.securifi.com/almondplus

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