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Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by eddiedunn »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #45
chroem wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't 2004. The state of development of the various GNU/ Linux distributions has reached a point where everything "just works". I have yet to see an installation with driver problems. Not to mention that the battery life on my ThinkPad easily compares with, if not exceeds, that of a Windows installation.

Both my Windows and OSX machines know that if I connect my bluetooth speaker to them, to play the sound through the speaker. Likewise, they know that if I plug in a Logitech USB dongle into the machine, that the sound and mic should go through the dongle. Elementary is better than most at having some sort of easy to use, functioning bluetooth setup, but every time I use one of these devices I have to go into sound se…

This can be fixed by editing your pulseaudio settings:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Automaticall...

I do agree, though, that it is weird that this is not enabled by default.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by eddiedunn »

leorocky wrote: post #39

When it comes to problems with Linux as a personal desktop OS, the appearance of the GUI is among my lowest concerns. What prevents me from considering Linux as a desktop or laptop OS includes: horrible battery life times (worse than half for a friend's thinkpad when compared to it running Windows), how difficult it is to get Bluetooth and Wifi working, really bad multi-touch for trackpads. The problems with Linux as…

> What prevents me from considering Linux as a desktop or laptop OS includes: horrible battery life times (worse than half for a friend's thinkpad when compared to it running Windows), how difficult it is to get Bluetooth and Wifi working, really bad multi-touch for trackpads.

Not sure where you are coming from, to be honest.

Bluetooth and Wifi have unerringly worked out of the box for me since 2009 or so.

While multi-touch, and the trackpad in general, is _horrible_ on my Asus UX31E Zenbook in Windows, it is very pleasant to use in Linux.

As for power savings, have a look at TLP: http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-man...

Using TLP, battery life on my laptop is about the same as in Windows.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

DAddYE wrote: post #44

Quick question, does ElementaryOS handle hiDPI better than any DE out there? I found frustrating it on gnome 3.12.

Which OS? For some reason Arch's Gnome handles hiDPI terribly, but Gnome Ubuntu is very good. So I stopped fighting it and just installed Gnome Ubuntu.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by krbbltr »

chroem wrote: post #43
leorocky wrote: post #39

When it comes to problems with Linux as a personal desktop OS, the appearance of the GUI is among my lowest concerns. What prevents me from considering Linux as a desktop or laptop OS includes: horrible battery life times (worse than half for a friend's thinkpad when compared to it running Windows), how difficult it is to get Bluetooth and Wifi working, really bad multi-touch for trackpads. The problems with Linux as…

This isn't 2004. The state of development of the various GNU/ Linux distributions has reached a point where everything "just works". I have yet to see an installation with driver problems. Not to mention that the battery life on my ThinkPad easily compares with, if not exceeds, that of a Windows installation.

> The state of development of the various GNU/ Linux distributions has reached a point where everything "just works".

Not really. I'd argue it has actually gotten worse in recent years, unless you enjoy using ancient hardware.

Support for 802.11ac chipsets in particular has been bad in my experience: Intel only works properly with very recent kernels, Broadcom and Qualcomm/Atheros tend to be buggy or they don't work at all. Or they're just barely working and essential features like, oh, using the 5 GHz band, are missing. And these are the three vendors whose chipsets you'll find most commonly in Laptops at the moment.

I guess it's possible I was just very unlucky.

OP also mentions Bluetooth, which I would agree is a bad joke on Linux. The whole stack seems to be garbage.

And of course, if you have a Laptop with anything other than Intel graphics, you might as well not even bother.

All of this – except maybe the Bluetooth part – is of course mostly a problem of hardware vendors being indifferent or even hostile towards Linux, but that does not change the fact that very often it does not "just work". You need to pick your hardware very carefully.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by dllthomas »

leorocky wrote: post #39

When it comes to problems with Linux as a personal desktop OS, the appearance of the GUI is among my lowest concerns. What prevents me from considering Linux as a desktop or laptop OS includes: horrible battery life times (worse than half for a friend's thinkpad when compared to it running Windows), how difficult it is to get Bluetooth and Wifi working, really bad multi-touch for trackpads. The problems with Linux as…

I don't have multitouch (completely unaware whether the hardware supports it, not terribly interested), but I have bluetooth, wifi, and tremendous battery life that all worked out of the box on my System76 laptop.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by leorocky »

eddiedunn wrote: post #52
leorocky wrote: post #39

When it comes to problems with Linux as a personal desktop OS, the appearance of the GUI is among my lowest concerns. What prevents me from considering Linux as a desktop or laptop OS includes: horrible battery life times (worse than half for a friend's thinkpad when compared to it running Windows), how difficult it is to get Bluetooth and Wifi working, really bad multi-touch for trackpads. The problems with Linux as…

> What prevents me from considering Linux as a desktop or laptop OS includes: horrible battery life times (worse than half for a friend's thinkpad when compared to it running Windows), how difficult it is to get Bluetooth and Wifi working, really bad multi-touch for trackpads. Not sure where you are coming from, to be honest. Bluetooth and Wifi have unerringly worked out of the box for me since 2009 or so. While mult…

How much work did you have to put into configuring TLP to get it to work? How many different settings before you got it where it was comparable to Windows, or did you just install it and it just worked? Because that's how it works on my Macboook, it just worked. I didn't have to read TLP docs. This is what I'm talking about, Linux is a hobby, it's not something you get that just works. This is just battery life. Bluetooth worked for you, it doesn't for others. Every little thing can be a painful can of worms. Go through the comments here and just see the variety of responses. Avoid nvidia, 802.11ac chipset problems, bluetooth problems, editing pulseaudio settings.

It doesn't "just work." A Macbook Pro, you turn it on, it "just works." Linux, is not like this.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by DAddYE »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #53
DAddYE wrote: post #44

Quick question, does ElementaryOS handle hiDPI better than any DE out there? I found frustrating it on gnome 3.12.

Which OS? For some reason Arch's Gnome handles hiDPI terribly, but Gnome Ubuntu is very good. So I stopped fighting it and just installed Gnome Ubuntu.

Jeez, thanks I'm exactly on Arch -.-'

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by Maskawanian »

iancarroll wrote: post #32
Maskawanian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It goes without saying, it is ill advised to copy and paste terminal commands to the internet without knowing what they actually do...

You could read it.

The warning is not for me, I understand these things, but it is a disturbing trend of people thinking copy and pasting command prompts is an OK thing to do.

Re: Myths about ElementaryOS

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Post by iancarroll »

Maskawanian wrote: post #59
iancarroll wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could read it.

The warning is not for me, I understand these things, but it is a disturbing trend of people thinking copy and pasting command prompts is an OK thing to do.

I think the people on this site are intelligent enough to read the command and look for themselves. The syntax isn't hard.
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