Nice try, but likely nothing will happen. Even if a judge in a moment of insanity ruled in your favor, the CIA will simply say it's a national secret or whatever and nothing will change.
Why we're suing the CIA
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Re: Why we're suing the CIA
#12Nice try, but likely nothing will happen. Even if a judge in a moment of insanity ruled in your favor, the CIA will simply say it's a national secret or whatever and nothing will change.
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Re: Why we're suing the CIA
#13MuckRock and the Beacon Reader are also working on uncovering law enforcement across the country using "Stingray" rouge cell tower equipment: http://www.beaconreader.com/projects/the-spy-in-your-pocket
Please chip in $5 if you can towards their goal.
Re: Why we're suing the CIA
#14I really appreciate these guys following through with this. I've benefited from the information they have set free. That we have to pull it kicking and screaming out of the bureaucracies is sad.
If it's not very private matter, could you tell us how you benefited from the information? I'm really curious.
Re: Why we're suing the CIA
#15Nice try, but likely nothing will happen. Even if a judge in a moment of insanity ruled in your favor, the CIA will simply say it's a national secret or whatever and nothing will change.
"Don't bother trying" -- great advice.
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#16As bad as governmental abuses can be in the U.S. I find it somewhat comforting that suing the CIA doesn't mean some people are going to start disappearing. I'm guessing not too many Russians sued the KGB.
Also, the fact that you have the freedom to discuss and criticize CIA on a public forum. A strong democracy's pros outweigh its cons by a large margin - almost always.
None of this is about democracy, but the freedoms of the constitution and a less corrupt system than some other countries. Corruption still exists heavily in America, but it's primarily focused on money and lobbies and whatnot.
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#17As bad as governmental abuses can be in the U.S. I find it somewhat comforting that suing the CIA doesn't mean some people are going to start disappearing. I'm guessing not too many Russians sued the KGB.
Also, CIA != NSA. CIA are the people doing field work and writing intelligence assessments, NSA is doing mass surveillance/SIGINT. Believe it or not - they compete for funding and attention from their paymasters like any bureaucracy.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, the fact that you have the freedom to discuss and criticize CIA on a public forum. A strong democracy's pros outweigh its cons by a large margin - almost always.
None of this is about democracy, but the freedoms of the constitution and a less corrupt system than some other countries. Corruption still exists heavily in America, but it's primarily focused on money and lobbies and whatnot.
It may not be directly associated to the democratic process for electing a government, but I think you'll find that it's still closely related to democracy in general.
Democracy is fundamentally anchored on the idea that the legitimate right to govern derives from the people, not from the sword or from the blessing of a priest. This means that governments exist to serve the people, not the other way around. The freedoms of the constitution derive from this principle.
Re: Why we're suing the CIA
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, the fact that you have the freedom to discuss and criticize CIA on a public forum. A strong democracy's pros outweigh its cons by a large margin - almost always.
None of this is about democracy, but the freedoms of the constitution and a less corrupt system than some other countries. Corruption still exists heavily in America, but it's primarily focused on money and lobbies and whatnot.
Precisely. A strong republic is more of what you want.
Re: Why we're suing the CIA
#20Nice try, but likely nothing will happen. Even if a judge in a moment of insanity ruled in your favor, the CIA will simply say it's a national secret or whatever and nothing will change.
"Don't bother trying" -- great advice.
"Don't waste your time on this approach" isn't defeatist, it's saying you'll get a better outcome with another approach. There are lots of worthless activities that will change nothing, and a very few that are effective. It's important to think about how to invest.
That said.. It's more helpful to hear alternate ideas than just "this won't work".