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Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by panzi »

baldfat wrote: post #35
ama729 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say, this[1] looks downright impressive. Congrats everyone! Edit: To add a bit more to the conversation, does the change from Canonical to Blue Systems[2] changed much to the development of Kubuntu/KDE? [1] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems

Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE! OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration

Last time I used KUbuntu it was pretty much horrible. (E.g. only 6 month maintained and after that the repo did go offline so my installed system was broken (couldn't even install old pkgs from the DVD because of dependencies)). But the config tools from SuSE where also horrible (convoluted and so slow!), so I use the Fedora KDE spin now.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by vacri »

keithpeter wrote: post #95
vacri wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try a different heavy DE and see if you can even find the settings these days. I hadn't used KDE since back when they first released 4 and have just started using it again. I'm loving it - a heavyweight DE where things are properly integrated (sorry XFCE and similar) and that you can actually personally tune the settings for. The settings can be a little difficult to find... but at least they're there to be found :)

Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space, Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...' Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...' Windows 8 Press Windows key, type 'control' Windows 7 Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control' Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days

Seriously, it was a rhetorical statement that didn't mean "no-one can literally find the settings", but "you're not allowed to change much these days". Gnome 3.x in particular is horribly bad. KDE allows a lot of tweaking.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by vacri »

davidgerard wrote: post #8
pestaa wrote: post #4

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I hope this trend continues. Mainstream desktop environments sort of lost their roots. I never wanted widgets, I just need to organize my windows!

Is Xfce mainstream yet? It's pretty popular for a non-default desktop - I can't find the cite, but I have a vague memory of something like 16% of Ubuntu being Xubuntu.

Debian is currently considering shifting it's default desktop to XFCE, as guh-nome has taken some ridiculous turns for the worse. It'd be a good step for XFCE, as it'd start getting a lot more attention to the areas where the integration is lacking.

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Post by baldfat »

eddyb wrote: post #109
Zardoz84 wrote: post #101

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But OpenSUSE not have apt-get

Having used both zypper and apt-get, I find the latter very lacking, even when coupled with other tools. Take `zypper se -s`, for example - or if you prefer the long form, `zypper search --detailed`. How do you get that information from any of the apt tools, or even aptitude? And then there's the openSUSE build system. But I digress. I will attempt to replace my openSUSE installation with NixOS and if I miss my autom…

Off Topic:

Zypper is by far my favorite package manager and find apt-get and company a PAIN. apt-cache search foo UGH!

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by baldfat »

tenken wrote: post #74
gnufied wrote: post #25

About 4 years ago, I switched from KDE/Kubuntu to OSX. Not because I hated KDE, but because my job needed OSX. It takes divvy, sizeup, apptivate, bartenderapp to do, what I was able to do with KDE out of box. The dual monitor support in OSX is still not in par with KDE. I have been using Kubuntu/KDE as my main workstation for last couple of months and I love depth of how much is possible with window environment. I th…

and yet every OSX diehard will think you're on crack and KDE is inferior.

Every Gnome, XFCE and non-KDE Linux user will also tell you the same crack pipe.

Personally I love KDE apps and I have been using i3 tiled WM.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by gpo »

KAMiKAZOW wrote: post #96
gpo wrote: post #64

For God's sake. I don't care a dime about fancy UIs. I mean, I really, really, really don't care. I want a robust and reliable system that doesn't change all the time for no good reason. I want a worthy Outlook alternative. Outlook is much more than just an email client. Kontact, Evolution and Thunderbird+Lightning just aren't good enough (they're simply full of bugs and I've tried all 3 of them). Why waste all those…

People who develop desktop themes are NOT the same who program PIM software.

You're right. After all, what we're seeing here is just a small theme revamp.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by gnufied »

diminoten wrote: post #100
gnufied wrote: post #25

About 4 years ago, I switched from KDE/Kubuntu to OSX. Not because I hated KDE, but because my job needed OSX. It takes divvy, sizeup, apptivate, bartenderapp to do, what I was able to do with KDE out of box. The dual monitor support in OSX is still not in par with KDE. I have been using Kubuntu/KDE as my main workstation for last couple of months and I love depth of how much is possible with window environment. I th…

I'm surprised you identified dual monitor support as a specific issue in OSX. Can you elaborate on the nature of your troubles?

To begin with complete lack of any dual monitor shortcuts or configuration settings at all. With KDE, I can configure certain apps to start on certain screen, send them to one screen on another with a key press.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by KAMiKAZOW »

pestaa wrote: post #71
doktrin wrote: post #55

I think what strikes me about DE upgrades like this is that they don't appear to add anything fundamentally new or promise to provide me with a meaningfully improved or more efficient experience. For my part - ever since switching to i3, I can't really see myself using any other WM. Once I got used to not touching the mouse, I lost all desire to use a traditional mouse centric GUI.

I use KDE at work and rarely touch the mouse to switch between windows. I have two monitors, and a couple of keyboard shortcuts, but power-usage comes with a price. I bet i3 needs a little tinkering too.

> I bet i3 needs a little tinkering too.

It needs a lot of tinkering once Wayland is the accepted standard.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by jcromartie »

Shamanmuni wrote: post #61
jcromartie wrote: post #31

This screenshot: http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-netw... Is this supposed to illustrate the "beta-ness" of the release? Because it's an atrocious UI. Two different-sized "wrench" icons next to each other? What are those checkboxes for? What does the little blue bar above the wireless symbol supposed to indicate? The blue lock is lost in the wireless icon in the network list (the eye is terribl…

It has some minor issues, sure, but I'm completely missing the atrocious part. In fact, I think it's quite nice, hope to use this UI soon. It would be great if you could send an email to the developers with your observations as, you know, it's a beta and some help is always needed. I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose.

It can mean "of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant."

Compared to the alternatives, I think it qualified.

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Post by keithpeter »

vacri wrote: post #112
keithpeter wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space, Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...' Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...' Windows 8 Press Windows key, type 'control' Windows 7 Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control' Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days

Seriously, it was a rhetorical statement that didn't mean "no-one can literally find the settings", but "you're not allowed to change much these days". Gnome 3.x in particular is horribly bad. KDE allows a lot of tweaking.

I sort of guessed, but decided to answer literally because people can just find a GUI that works for them on Linux can they not?

My understanding of Gnome desktop is that customisation is being offloaded to third party extensions. I admit rapid changes in API for extensions means breakage at present, but I'm hoping for asymptotic stability as the interface matures. When that happens it will be like visual emacs one hopes... hack on your GUI for the things you need.

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