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With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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Re: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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In case there's anyone in here who knows: Why does the Wikipedia page for memristors say that this 4th circuit element is proven to be impossible to create in physical reality, due tp the laws of thermodynamics?

Either HP must be lying, physics must be wrong or whomever figured out this "proof" must have screwed up.

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A memristor is the 4th fundamental circuit component, along with capacitors, resistors, and inductors. The important part of memristors is that they can be arranged to form a crossbar latch, which acts like a transistor. This crossbar latches are very very small, and very low power. HP plans on achieving data density of 100GB/cm^2 [1] with read write speeds approximately 100x faster then flash memory while using 1% o…

So storage is 1x10^6 larger, and read/write speeds are 1x10^2 faster.

So it'll take 1x10^4 times as long to copy the capacity.

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Would movies and music really explode? Music hit the ceiling long time ago - nobody's going to go for higher resolution / sampling rate than the current "uncompressed" sound. Big publishers are intentionally sacrificing the quality for loudness anyway. Movies can practically scale up to retina-equivalent on wall-size equivalent only. Even then not many people will want TVs bigger than they can look at without moving…

I think my argument is that we will find new things to store on our PC's similar to how we found new stuff to store on our PC's from the 90s till now. I guess it is hard to imagine, but let's dream a bit...one ridiculous possibility that I've thought about is consider something like google glass. Imagine recording every moment of your day from your smart phone, and not just when you wake up. Why would you do this? We…

Again, this is hard to imagine wanting to do especially for privacy reasons, but were things like facebook and twitter easy to imagine in the 80s?

Much easier than the example you give, yes. Considering things like Xanadu were already theorized in the '60s, Facebook and Twitter wouldn't be that huge of a stretch. What's more, Usenet and BBSes already existed in the '80s, so there was a text-based glimpse of the future in some way.

Of course, imagining the scale, deep technical details and the heavy use of graphics back then was likely difficult. But the general concept? Hardly. Especially not something as simplistic as Twitter, the idea of it was most certainly not alien back then.

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I so much want this to be true, I can't wait for it. Not having a layered memory architecture means no VM, everything has be rethought from the filesystem down. On a related note: "Operating systems have not been taught what to do with all of this memory, and HP will have to get very creative." Anyone knows what this could possibly mean?

I guess it would be like an OS that once loads and starts, will run forever. You can put your machine to sleep which will freeze the sate, and then bring it back on again and start processing instructions from where it left off.

But if that's the case then they'll have to think of ways to do e.g. OS upgrades - where you normally reboot to flush the old code out of RAM.

Or how will you recover if you load a bad driver end experience a blue screen? Normally you reboot to flush the bad state and start again.

Somehow I think you'll need a separate cut down immutable OS alongside the your System so that you can repair things or make updates to the main RAM/Storage space.

Or at least that's how I understand it..?

Re: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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It could reduce the amount of data a smartphone needs. I'd like to keep a copy of my local area in my google map and then have it check in once a week to look for changes.

Not to derail the topic - but maps already does that. Search for your area. Pull up info sheet for it. Click "Save map to use offline". (Although I've got no idea if it checks for changes)

Didn't that disappear in some recent version? I had to use some special keyword search term to make that happen in the newest Maps.

Re: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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> Basically when this technology comes of age we'll see smart phones reach the order of terabytes of storage. Looking forward to carrying the library of congress, netflix's entire catalog, and all of openstreetmap on my phone in the next 5 years.

Software grows to match the hardware. If storage goes up 100x, data will grow to accommodate. Some things won't grow, to be sure. Anything text-based, for example. But movies, music, pictures... would probably all explode in fidelity and thus size.

Bandwidth won't grow and IMHO that is now the chief constraint in computing. For low usage it is cheaper to store data on S3 for a month than buying the bandwidth to transfer it once!

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Seems like a test platform for memristor tech.

Is there a better way to test a tech than to make a product with it?

In a way it doesn't matter does it? If they can't sell it then they're not going to be supported by shareholders/traders to make it. The oft quoted maxim here is that "companies must work to maximise their profits" - that's our capitalism; if they do the research and don't make a product then it's wasted money from a profit-based perspective.

It's actually really encouraging to me that a company could be doing R&D that's not going to have an immediate pay-off. That those with the finances to push technological development are looking beyond the end's of their noses for a change.

Re: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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In case there's anyone in here who knows: Why does the Wikipedia page for memristors say that this 4th circuit element is proven to be impossible to create in physical reality, due tp the laws of thermodynamics? Either HP must be lying, physics must be wrong or whomever figured out this "proof" must have screwed up.

or Wikipedia is wrong or you misread Wikipedia.

Re: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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For those of you who are unfamiliar with what a memristor is, as I was, HP has an easy-to-understand analogy on its FAQ page about memristors: "A common analogy for a resistor is a pipe that carries water. The water itself is analogous to electrical charge, the pressure at the input of the pipe is similar to voltage, and the rate of flow of the water through the pipe is like electrical current. Just as with an electr…

Conceptual symmetry between the resistor, capacitor, inductor, and the memristor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor#mediaviewer/File:Two-...

The scales fell from my eyes. Now the electronics math makes sense - Memristor was the missing puzzle piece.

Re: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer

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From the last paragraph:

"The Machine isn’t on HP’s official roadmap. Fink says it could arrive as early as 2017 or take until the end of the decade. Any delivery date has to be taken with some skepticism given that HP has been hyping the memristor technology for years and failed to meet earlier self-imposed deadlines."

So, does anyone actually know whether significant new progress is being made on this project, or is this article just a win for HP's PR department and nothing more?

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