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Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by Zardoz84 »

baldfat wrote: post #35
ama729 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say, this[1] looks downright impressive. Congrats everyone! Edit: To add a bit more to the conversation, does the change from Canonical to Blue Systems[2] changed much to the development of Kubuntu/KDE? [1] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems

Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE! OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration

But OpenSUSE not have apt-get

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by Zardoz84 »

intull wrote: post #7

I like KDE a lot for its UI/UX. KDE actually has the potential to intuitively replace Windows in many households with shared systems and also in educational institutions. But the only major problem with KDE is that its very heavy and takes a lot of resources. Does the next generation workspace just change the UI/UX or optimize stuff too? The post doesn't talk much about that.

I switch to KDE 4 when I saw it working smoothly with SVGA X11 driver (not 2d or 3d acceleration). In the same machine with the same driver, Gnome 2 had a horrible lag. So I don't think that KDE 4 have a performance problem.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by Zardoz84 »

klearvue wrote: post #59
tormeh wrote: post #57

Can I press super/win-key, type [name of application], press enter and it brings up the [application]? It didn't when I last tried, and I don't want a window manager that doesn't behave in that way. Windows, Gnome shell and Unity does it - it's not hard.

Alt+F2 in KDE to bring up KRunner but you can change it to whatever keys you like

Correct, but actually you can't setup Krunner (or any other KDE shortcut) to be launched pressing ONLY Super/Windows key.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by Zardoz84 »

ableal wrote: post #17
jacquesm wrote: post #5

KDE is slowly losing ground. It used to be my desktop of choice but that was in the knoppix days. Now there is of course Kubuntu but I switched (more or less by accident rather than by design) a while ago and I don't think I'll be switching back. My desktop is practically invisible to me anyway, all I run on a normal workday is firefox, a terminal window and thunderbird. The one piece of software from the KDE distro…

I liked Konqueror as a web browser. Nice touches such as stopping image animations ...

Rekonq it's like a faster and lightweight Chrome

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by GHFigs »

micampe wrote: post #87
tenken wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and yet every OSX diehard will think you're on crack and KDE is inferior.

Please don’t stir conflict by only reasoning in terms superior and inferior. Things are different , no need to order them, especially on one single axis.

You can't not-fight in here! This is the Internet!

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by mpyne »

Shamanmuni wrote: post #61
jcromartie wrote: post #31

This screenshot: http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-netw... Is this supposed to illustrate the "beta-ness" of the release? Because it's an atrocious UI. Two different-sized "wrench" icons next to each other? What are those checkboxes for? What does the little blue bar above the wireless symbol supposed to indicate? The blue lock is lost in the wireless icon in the network list (the eye is terribl…

It has some minor issues, sure, but I'm completely missing the atrocious part. In fact, I think it's quite nice, hope to use this UI soon. It would be great if you could send an email to the developers with your observations as, you know, it's a beta and some help is always needed. I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose.

> I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose.

The comments here were even more virulent with the last beta. I didn't even bother to comment then, what can you say to people who expect multi-million dollar polished U/I out of a beta from one of the last large community-developed open source projects, as if KDE has some sort of hidden pool of paid artists and capital development programs?

Even Firefox on Linux still looks worse than KDE (IMHO) but people (even on HN) don't stop to base their opinion on Firefox based only on that.

As for me, I'm incredibly proud of those who develop the visual design for KDE, especially since they do so with no compensation. KDE has come a very long way since KDE 2 and 3 and that is almost entirely from true volunteer effort; while there is always room for improvement I think KDE looks good. Not even "good for what resources we have", but good per se, and if the screenshot of this beta is any indication KDE's Plasma 5 will look even better.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by mpyne »

Yaggo wrote: post #45
jcromartie wrote: post #31

This screenshot: http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-netw... Is this supposed to illustrate the "beta-ness" of the release? Because it's an atrocious UI. Two different-sized "wrench" icons next to each other? What are those checkboxes for? What does the little blue bar above the wireless symbol supposed to indicate? The blue lock is lost in the wireless icon in the network list (the eye is terribl…

KDE versions 1-3 were great piece of software. Remember kioslave's support for ssh/sftp? Awesome stuff. The current state of the project makes me sad.

> Remember kioslave's support for ssh/sftp?

Yes, such support is still there. In fact, it's even easier to get to than it was in KDE 3 (where you effectively had to be good at understanding how KDE converted URIs into kioslave requests).

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by wlesieutre »

keithpeter wrote: post #95
vacri wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try a different heavy DE and see if you can even find the settings these days. I hadn't used KDE since back when they first released 4 and have just started using it again. I'm loving it - a heavyweight DE where things are properly integrated (sorry XFCE and similar) and that you can actually personally tune the settings for. The settings can be a little difficult to find... but at least they're there to be found :)

Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space, Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...' Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...' Windows 8 Press Windows key, type 'control' Windows 7 Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control' Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days

Windows key and type 'control' applies on Windows 7 as well. When the start menu opens, the search box has focus.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by eddyb »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #101
baldfat wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE! OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration

But OpenSUSE not have apt-get

Having used both zypper and apt-get, I find the latter very lacking, even when coupled with other tools.

Take `zypper se -s`, for example - or if you prefer the long form, `zypper search --detailed`. How do you get that information from any of the apt tools, or even aptitude?

And then there's the openSUSE build system.

But I digress. I will attempt to replace my openSUSE installation with NixOS and if I miss my automatic KF5 builds, I'll try to create Nix packages for them.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by keithpeter »

wlesieutre wrote: post #108
keithpeter wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space, Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...' Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...' Windows 8 Press Windows key, type 'control' Windows 7 Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control' Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days

Windows key and type 'control' applies on Windows 7 as well. When the start menu opens, the search box has focus.

Thanks, could not remember (at home, no Win7 machine)
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