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Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by mwfunk »

micampe wrote: post #87
tenken wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and yet every OSX diehard will think you're on crack and KDE is inferior.

Please don’t stir conflict by only reasoning in terms superior and inferior. Things are different , no need to order them, especially on one single axis.

You made the point I was trying to make far better than I did. Whether or not it's the poster's intent, the terms superior and inferior imply that there is some objective judgement being made about the thing being discussed that is independent of one's personal preferences.

I honestly think that almost all pointless flamewars in tech forums about the relative merits of various languages/operating systems/editors/desktop environments/whatever stem from confusion among the participants over whether personal preferences or objective qualities are being discussed. It doesn't help that for a lot of people in the larval hacker stage, there is no distinction between objective and subjective judgements- if they happen to prefer vi to emacs, they interpret that as meaning that vi is intrinsically better in some way, and isn't just a better fit for their particular workflow or whatever.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by doktrin »

pestaa wrote: post #71
doktrin wrote: post #55

I think what strikes me about DE upgrades like this is that they don't appear to add anything fundamentally new or promise to provide me with a meaningfully improved or more efficient experience. For my part - ever since switching to i3, I can't really see myself using any other WM. Once I got used to not touching the mouse, I lost all desire to use a traditional mouse centric GUI.

I use KDE at work and rarely touch the mouse to switch between windows. I have two monitors, and a couple of keyboard shortcuts, but power-usage comes with a price. I bet i3 needs a little tinkering too.

> I bet i3 needs a little tinkering too.

IIRC, the only real tinkering I did was to re-jig the navigation shortcuts to resemble VIM bindings. From a user's perspective i3 is comparable to xmonad, but configuration wise it's an order of magnitude simpler.

i3 does, however, come at a price. Not being inside a fully functional DE means a lot of normally trivial tasks require active thought and engagement, at least at first, since they will have to either be handled via the command line or by seeking out the correct application (e.g. managing wi-fi connections, handling dual-monitors & monitor rotation, etc.)

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by chronid »

mikevm wrote: post #18
dikei wrote: post #11

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I absolutely love yakuake. One of the reason why I'm still using KDE.

There's Guake for GNOME (and Unity): https://github.com/Guake/guake/

Guake in GNOME3 was pretty broken the last time I used it (a lot of time ago, it was the thing that made me switch to a tiling WM). Something changed lately?

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by KAMiKAZOW »

pestaa wrote: post #70
baldfat wrote: post #35

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Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE! OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration

What makes you say KDE is badly integrated in Kubuntu?

Kubuntu constantly ships pre-release software. One example in the current "stable" LTS is this touchpad config panel: http://imgur.com/JIuCNqg

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by keithpeter »

vacri wrote: post #28
veeti wrote: post #16

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Yes, I read it and I know the settings are being redesigned. The system settings is just one example and perhaps the most egregious. It's also the one that is still a constant annoyance after years of using KDE when trying to find something.

Try a different heavy DE and see if you can even find the settings these days. I hadn't used KDE since back when they first released 4 and have just started using it again. I'm loving it - a heavyweight DE where things are properly integrated (sorry XFCE and similar) and that you can actually personally tune the settings for. The settings can be a little difficult to find... but at least they're there to be found :)

Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space,

Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...'

Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC

Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...'

Windows 8

Press Windows key, type 'control'

Windows 7

Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control'

Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by KAMiKAZOW »

gpo wrote: post #64

For God's sake. I don't care a dime about fancy UIs. I mean, I really, really, really don't care. I want a robust and reliable system that doesn't change all the time for no good reason. I want a worthy Outlook alternative. Outlook is much more than just an email client. Kontact, Evolution and Thunderbird+Lightning just aren't good enough (they're simply full of bugs and I've tried all 3 of them). Why waste all those…

People who develop desktop themes are NOT the same who program PIM software.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by KAMiKAZOW »

doktrin wrote: post #55

I think what strikes me about DE upgrades like this is that they don't appear to add anything fundamentally new or promise to provide me with a meaningfully improved or more efficient experience. For my part - ever since switching to i3, I can't really see myself using any other WM. Once I got used to not touching the mouse, I lost all desire to use a traditional mouse centric GUI.

The focus for Plasma 5.0 is -- for the most part -- the port to Qt 5, not adding many new features (although there are a few new ones). Most new features will appear in subsequent Plasma releases.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by KAMiKAZOW »

intull wrote: post #20
KAMiKAZOW wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually more optimization is taking place than visual refreshes. Porting the stuff to Qt5 (esp. QtQuick2) should speed everything up on non-ancient PCs. Visual refreshes are just easier to explain. ;-)

Its not speed I'm bothered about. KDE is more or less very smooth at that. Its the resources it takes! The CPU is always nearly being utilized on a small-medium scale, and nearly 700mb is taken away at boot-time and gathers upto 2gb upon usage. That's too high, at least I think so. Would KDE actually require so much for all the features it gives or can that actually come down?

The CPU thing is either a bug or file indexing is not yet complete (although that should not take more than a few hours).

How much RAM is utilized depends on the components you loaded. "Convenience distros" tend to start more services by default. The KDE Workspace is very modular. You can disable/remove many things, esp. if you compile yourself. That said, it's not a workspace primarily for low-end computers. If it requires more RAM than your PC has, maybe look at LXQt.

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by KAMiKAZOW »

tormeh wrote: post #86
klearvue wrote: post #59

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Alt+F2 in KDE to bring up KRunner but you can change it to whatever keys you like

Nice. I don't get why they can't just use the super key by default like everyone else, but it's not a very big problem. Is it a fuzzy search? How does it handle "term" and "temrinal"?

They can use the key. They just don't change default keyboard shortcuts during a release cycle (first generation Plasma precedes both Unity and Gnome Shell).

Re: KDE Ships Second Beta of Next Generation Plasma Workspace

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Post by diminoten »

gnufied wrote: post #25

About 4 years ago, I switched from KDE/Kubuntu to OSX. Not because I hated KDE, but because my job needed OSX. It takes divvy, sizeup, apptivate, bartenderapp to do, what I was able to do with KDE out of box. The dual monitor support in OSX is still not in par with KDE. I have been using Kubuntu/KDE as my main workstation for last couple of months and I love depth of how much is possible with window environment. I th…

I'm surprised you identified dual monitor support as a specific issue in OSX. Can you elaborate on the nature of your troubles?
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