How's this blackmail? What secret are they threatening to reveal?
A quick google shows 'blackmail' definition can either be restrictive to secrets as you say or can encompass 'extortion' depending on the definition you use.
Feedly gets hit by DDoS attack, refuses to give in to blackmail
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I have read, Cloudflare takes considerable flack because they willingly provide services to the websites that let you buy and sell ddos-for-hire services. Also, I believe their defense is "we are a proxy, not the host, go elsewhere to complain". So, yes- They appear to allow these booters to exist and thrive in a world where they were unable to (at this level) before. * http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthr…
Allow them to exist, yes. Help them thrive, how? I don't understand. Because they prevent DDOS-for-hire services from attacking each other? Surely "other DDOS-for-hire operators" are not the people charged with stopping DDOS-for-hire services.
DDOS-for-hire websites are naturally unstable - if not for the protection CloudFlare provides, they would all knock one another offline and there would be no DDOS-for-hire websites (or only a single, expensive winner).
Depending on your point of view, cloudflare providing the protection that makes DDOS-for-hire possible is either (a) them being fair and website-content-neutral, anything else would be censorship or (b) the glazier giving baseballs to the child who carelessly breaks windows with them, to generate demand for his services that would not otherwise exist.
Re: Feedly gets hit by DDoS attack, refuses to give in to blackmail
#63I've been using Fever since Google Reader shutdown: http://feedafever.com/
I have put together install instructions here: http://thornelabs.net/2014/05/10/install-fever-rss-reader-on...
Re: Feedly gets hit by DDoS attack, refuses to give in to blackmail
#64I was just wondering why I couldn't hop on Feedly. I feel sort of bad that this is what makes me finally self host my RSS reader, since it's totally out of their control, but I've been planning on jumping ship for a while, it's just been low priority for me. Goread has been tempting me though, so I guess I'll check it out.
Any suggestions on the best RSS reader to self-host?
If you don't mind paying for rss, https://www.feedsapi.org is a decentralized option, you can use it to turn evernote or instapaper into an rss reader on the fly.
Re: Feedly gets hit by DDoS attack, refuses to give in to blackmail
#65I was just wondering why I couldn't hop on Feedly. I feel sort of bad that this is what makes me finally self host my RSS reader, since it's totally out of their control, but I've been planning on jumping ship for a while, it's just been low priority for me. Goread has been tempting me though, so I guess I'll check it out.
Any suggestions on the best RSS reader to self-host?
I'm happy with Fever° (http://www.feedafever.com), that I host on an atom server on OVH with no performance problems.
Re: Feedly gets hit by DDoS attack, refuses to give in to blackmail
#66Do people really get punished for it? I mean the actual ones behind those bot, not the innocent ones that had their computer hacked without knowing. If yes, how long does it normally take to get them? If At all? Weeks? Months? Years? These days DDoS seems far too easy, far too common.
Why do you think someone is innocent if they let some third party use their computer without permission? For essentially all malware that makes your computer part of a larger botnet, you have to be extremely careless to let it get on your device, not dissimilar to leaving your car unlocked when it is subsequently stolen and used in a crime (or just misused by playing kids). The latter is illegal[0], why should the fo…
From our perspective - yes, that's pretty silly. But we are different, we are extremely far from the majority.
For many many people, computer is just a box for writing stuff in MS Word and watching porn.
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#67I was just wondering why I couldn't hop on Feedly. I feel sort of bad that this is what makes me finally self host my RSS reader, since it's totally out of their control, but I've been planning on jumping ship for a while, it's just been low priority for me. Goread has been tempting me though, so I guess I'll check it out.
If you were a former Google Reader user, you might like Feedbin. I've been with them for the last year or however long and have been fairly happy.
If more users use Feedbin, then it will also be DDoSed and blackmailed. I think self hosting is the only solution here.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a protection racket ONLY if they are aiding or doing the attacks. I don't see how protecting a company from DDoS attacks is a protection racket by itself, care to elaborate?
From what I have read, Cloudflare takes considerable flack because they willingly provide services to the websites that let you buy and sell ddos-for-hire services. Also, I believe their defense is "we are a proxy, not the host, go elsewhere to complain". So, yes- They appear to allow these booters to exist and thrive in a world where they were unable to (at this level) before. * http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthr…
If Cloudflare is knowingly providing cover to the DDOS-for-hire companies after being informed of what they are doing, that's a big bunch of bullshit right there.
Just because a company temporarily relocates behind Cloudflare doesn't mean CF is guilty, though. They can't vet every website before it goes up and each time it updates.
If they aren't kicking these guys off their network for performing the same activities they defend against, though . . . well, "racket" is kind of the term for it.
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#69yes.
Re: Feedly gets hit by DDoS attack, refuses to give in to blackmail
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allow them to exist, yes. Help them thrive, how? I don't understand. Because they prevent DDOS-for-hire services from attacking each other? Surely "other DDOS-for-hire operators" are not the people charged with stopping DDOS-for-hire services.
DDOS-for-hire websites are naturally unstable - if not for the protection CloudFlare provides, they would all knock one another offline and there would be no DDOS-for-hire websites (or only a single, expensive winner). Depending on your point of view, cloudflare providing the protection that makes DDOS-for-hire possible is either (a) them being fair and website-content-neutral, anything else would be censorship or (b…
The DDOS-for-hire company doesn't need a significant or even continuous web presence, does it? Seems ineffective to DDOS them.
EDIT Surely many of these DDOS-for-hire companies cross into illegal territory. CF can maintain a content-neutral stance by kicking illegal activity off.