Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.1614
That was an interesting paper, but I'm having trouble with the concluding paragraphs. Is the argument against the grandfather paradox essentially "You can set up the mechanism to create the grandfather paradox, but it won't actually work the way you think it will?"
Some Emerging Possibilities For Space Propulsion
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#23"Theory for a faster-than-light "warp drive" consistent with general relativity." For real?
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#24I honestly can't imagine why NASA even acknowledges the idea of FTL travel - Is there some kind of propeller beanie PAC forcing their hand? They should just have a page that says: "FTL is impossible, but that's fine, once you get used to the way things are."
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.1614
That was an interesting paper, but I'm having trouble with the concluding paragraphs. Is the argument against the grandfather paradox essentially "You can set up the mechanism to create the grandfather paradox, but it won't actually work the way you think it will?"
Earlier in the paper, he argued that the new physics will still have its own causal structure, in a well-defined sense involving initial conditions and differential equations. If you start with complete and well-behaved initial data, his argument is essentially that the state of the system will always evolve forward in time in a consistent way (and in particular, there's no way for closed causal curves to arise out of nowhere).
So those last paragraphs that you're asking about attempt to interpret that conclusion in the context of a thought experiment aimed at creating a grandfather paradox. Geroch's answer is to say "the details will depend on your precise model, but the math makes it unavoidable that something about the model will make your plan impossible". Maybe the experimenter's normal-matter hands just can't ever move fast enough to push the special fluid past light speed. Maybe FTL-fluid is explosive when it comes in contact with normal matter. But the ultimate mathematical conclusion must hold.
(I won't swear to have worked through every step of these arguments in detail myself, but Bob Geroch is a world-class expert on this sort of thing. The one caveat that I'd add is that I think his arguments here are classical, and that bringing quantum mechanics into the mix might change things. It's possible that it would only change things in topologically disjoint sectors within a general-relativistic spacetime, but something like that might conceivably escape his premises.)
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How do these "legitimate" ideas for FTL deal with causality? I've always wondered that. People always use causality to argue against FTL, but then readily acknowledge that wormholes or Albicurie might allow it. I'm not getting that disconnect?
Here's a link to a good discussion of some related issues by cosmologist Sean Carroll: http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2011/09/24/can-neut... (It's in the context of that mistaken "neutrinos move faster than light" claim from a few years back, but the arguments are general. Bob Geroch's article mentioned near the end is pretty much the gold standard for dealing with these issues as far as I know.) I really n…
Wouldn't a spaceship traveling FTL be able to carry information?
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#27NASA used to have a small program to evaluate concepts for breakthrough propulsion, which ended around 2002. http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
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#28I honestly can't imagine why NASA even acknowledges the idea of FTL travel - Is there some kind of propeller beanie PAC forcing their hand? They should just have a page that says: "FTL is impossible, but that's fine, once you get used to the way things are."
>They should just have a page that says: "FTL is impossible, but that's fine, once you get used to the way things are." No offense intended to you, but I feel this is a disastrously negative attitude to have. Except where morals dictate otherwise (which are outside the scope of science anyway) nothing is banned from exploration. Suggesting otherwise implies that we know all there is to know about a subject; to me, th…
Nothing is banned, per se... but there's just too much search space to sift through to not be smart about where you look.
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#29Speaking as a professional physicist, this page feels awfully light on actual information. And as far as I can tell, that's merited: there's not a lot of solid science discussed on this page, or even especially tantalizing ideas for what might come next. They spend a lot of time discussing quantum vacuum energy, but the one short note about its "propulsion implications" includes the comment that "Those particular gra…
How do these "legitimate" ideas for FTL deal with causality? I've always wondered that. People always use causality to argue against FTL, but then readily acknowledge that wormholes or Albicurie might allow it. I'm not getting that disconnect?
A photon, on the other hand, moves incredibly fast in the spatial dimensions, and finds it difficult to change directions in them. From its perspective, the spatial dimensions might as well be one dimension, represented by its vector of movement in space. It moves relatively slowly in our temporal dimension, however. And that leads to the question.
What if we only perceive time as a single temporal dimension because we are moving so fast through time that we have so far been unable to perceive any other temporal dimensions or change temporal direction?
It may be that if a human were to accelerate close to the speed of light in the known spatial dimensions (thus decelerating in the temporal dimension) it would become possible to perceive additional temporal dimensions, and maybe alter one's course through time. Our current understanding of causality assumes that one's movement through time does not change direction.
If time does have additional dimensions, a massless particle could execute a u-turn in the temporal dimensions, and it would appear to us as though it turned itself into its antiparticle. If the u-turn was in any way imperfect, the particle probably could never intersect any point in spacetime that it has ever previously passed through and interact with itself in a way that could create a paradox. Or maybe all electrons and positrons really are the same particle, endlessly interacting with itself as it bounces around in spacetime, and all paradoxes become self correcting, since causality flows in multiple directions.
TL;DR: Our assumptions about causality may be wrong.
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#30Speaking as a professional physicist, this page feels awfully light on actual information. And as far as I can tell, that's merited: there's not a lot of solid science discussed on this page, or even especially tantalizing ideas for what might come next. They spend a lot of time discussing quantum vacuum energy, but the one short note about its "propulsion implications" includes the comment that "Those particular gra…
That's meatier but I thought it was still light on information.