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Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

Perhaps you should upgrade your subscription plan for better uptime. Oh wait.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#32
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. The site is free, and free from ads. They owe you nothing and they are free to maintain this resource as they see fit. You have no business calling it a "disgrace."

I agree with the content of your message, but: > free from ads It is not, to insert news to hire hackers for YCombinator startups is an incredibly useful thing who run this site is getting back, and it is a form of advertising.

I see that as a service to the Hackers just as much as to the start-ups. Everybody wins.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#33
post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

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Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#35
post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

Look, I think the message delivery here is very poor -- there's no need to be rude. And getting angry is uncalled for.

That said, I do agree with the sentiment expressed here: it is pretty amazing that a site that is really a nexus of high-tech Silicon Valley companies and figures -- quite possibly the most popular one in that segment -- still has downtime and a web interface reminiscent of the 1990s.

And I disagree with those people who say that the site is operated entirely altruistically. There's definitely a huge benefit to YCombinator -- not least of which is raising awareness of their investment opportunities. Also, YCombinator uses HN as a very effective advertisement medium for job offerings for the companies it has invested in. Companies would pay big money for that kind of exposure of their job ads here.

To be clear, I have absolutely no problem with the above motivations. I think it's great that Y Combinator is able to leverage HN is such a way. But I think HN does owe its audience a site that is run and managed in a manner befitting its status as a focal point of global high tech and entrepreneurship.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#37
post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

First of all, thanks Dan for all the hard work. Think about it this way: you need your fix so badly that within minutes you're back here to vent your frustration. And yet you have nowhere else to go. So HN can afford the downtime easily, and with what I know of the way it is put together the reliability is astounding. Now imagine it shuttin HN down for a month! (I sensed a disturbance in the force there when you read…

> "A website for hackers with 'opening hours' that simply refuses connections from your locality when you're supposed to be at work."

I'd argue that HN already has this kind of functionality with the noprocrast setting [1].

[1] Last question at http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#38
post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

It's a forum. We come back. They don't lose revenue when it's down. Why would they do anything any differently? HA when it makes sense, sure, but were I running the HN stack, I'd tolerate 1% of downtime happily. On our eCommerce platform, 0.01% downtime is an unmitigated nightmare, however - because it generates revenue .

I understand that they don't have any incentives to do this differently, and (given that this forum is offered to us for free) that we should have no reason to complain, but I'd rather have them staffed properly so we can prevent this situation in the future.

Hacker News is providing an important service to me, and because they're offering it to me for free, it means that they don't have the capacity to do these backend changes properly, that it's unavailable some of the time or that we don't have a reasonable mobile version.

That sucks, and I'd rather pay them to make sure they are in a position where they are able to offer these things. To me it's worth money to make sure it stays online - always and forever. If you don't feel like that - fine. I'm happy for you to freeride on my contribution.

I am just really disappointed that a service that's important to me goes offline for hours, and I am willing to contribute to make sure that they don't have to.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#39
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, thanks Dan for all the hard work. Think about it this way: you need your fix so badly that within minutes you're back here to vent your frustration. And yet you have nowhere else to go. So HN can afford the downtime easily, and with what I know of the way it is put together the reliability is astounding. Now imagine it shuttin HN down for a month! (I sensed a disturbance in the force there when you read…

> "A website for hackers with 'opening hours' that simply refuses connections from your locality when you're supposed to be at work." I'd argue that HN already has this kind of functionality with the noprocrast setting [1]. [1] Last question at http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Yes, but that's easily defeatable. I know that because err. never mind.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#40
post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

First of all, thanks Dan for all the hard work. Think about it this way: you need your fix so badly that within minutes you're back here to vent your frustration. And yet you have nowhere else to go. So HN can afford the downtime easily, and with what I know of the way it is put together the reliability is astounding. Now imagine it shuttin HN down for a month! (I sensed a disturbance in the force there when you read…

> thanks Dan

Thank Nick! I did keep him company though.

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