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Re: Turing Test Success

#91
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're probably expecting to see a 50/50 chance (or higher) of guessing it was a computer. But if you think about it, anything better than 50% would make it more human than a human. So is why the target is lower than 50%

Wait, could you explain how a program that is capable of being mistaken for a human more than 50% of the time is more human than human? I'm pretty sure you're human, with a high degree of confidence, much higher than 50%. So to are you more human than human?

I believe that in the original formulation of the Turing Test the judges were asked to hold two conversations: one with a computer and one with a human. Afterwards they chose which of the two they believed to be the human. In that scenario, being identified as "human" more than 50% of the time would indeed make you "more human than human"; with a "perfectly human" program the test becomes essentially a coin-toss. In that context the 30% threshold makes a good deal of sense.

But in this variant, "Do you believe the entity you spoke with to be a human or a program?", a 100% threshold is theoretically achievable. That means you're entirely correct: a 51% vote of confidence is decidedly less human than human. Additionally the 30% threshold they've used is laughably low in this context. Without a control group, even an 100%-confidence outcome probably says more about the beliefs of the judges than the ability of the program to simulate a human.

I don't mean to take away from the no-doubt impressive achievement by the team behind Eugene. I just take issue with the hyperbole in its reporting. But, ya know, the media will be the media, and academics gotta get research grants.

Re: Turing Test Success

#95
Me: Do you have more hair on your head or on your eyelash? Goostman: If I say that I haven't more hair on my head or on my eye lash - will it satisfy your inquisitive mind? By the way, what's your occupation? I mean - could you tell me about your work?

This is not passing the Turing test by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: Turing Test Success

#97
I don't know exactly how Eugene works, but I am quite sure like most chat bots it simply reacts to keywords or preprogrammed patterns. Basically it's Eliza [0], but with more scripts. I believe most people here would not give it credit for winning an intelligence test.

There is actually more than one bot, which has been claimed to have passed the Turing Test before. Cleverbot is one of them [1]. There are also several competitions, but I believe the most reputable and long standing one is the Loebner Prize [2]. The bot that currently holds the Loeber Prize is Mitsuku [3].

Anyway, you can chat with Eugene at [4], I gave it a try. I believe there is one thing that the creators of Eugene got right. When chatting with other chat bots, I usually in a situation where the bot says something, I ask I followup question (like "Why?"), and it gives a generic answer like "Because I say so" or "I don't know". Eugene does the same but will ask a unrelated followup question right together with the response. That way at least there is not a weird pause in the conversation.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

[1] http://www.geekosystem.com/cleverbot-passes-turing-test/

[2] http://www.loebner.net/Prizef/loebner-prize.html

[3] http://www.mitsuku.com

[4] http://www.princetonai.com/bot/bot.jsp

Re: Turing Test Success

#98
post #83

Between this and the Ars Technica article[1], I'm still confused: Was this a regular Turing test? Who was the humans that the machines tested against? As far as I recall, the model is two participants, one human, one machine -- the judges communicate with each through writing -- and if the machine "tests" as human more than 30% of the time, it's considered a "win" at the imitation game (the machine has successfully i…

Some more information from Gizmodo:

http://gizmodo.com/5921698/what-its-like-to-judge-the-turing...

(linked from http://gizmodo.com/this-is-the-first-computer-in-history-to-... )

Re: Turing Test Success

#99

When people imagine what a Turing Test conversation would look like, they frequently underestimate the conversation. I find Dennet's example of an imaginary Turing Test from Consciousness Explained to be a good counterexample: Judge: Did you hear about the Irishman who found a magic lamp? When he rubbed it a genie appeared and granted him three wishes. “I’ll have a pint of Guiness!” the Irishman replied and immediate…

That excerpt reads to me like writing, not conversation. Someone spent some time polishing it. I know people who can talk like that extemporaneously, but I'd wager 99% of native English speakers wouldn't pass if that's the bar.

I thought that was an obvious example of a computer system, as it was a labored and overly detailed description. I would have immediately flagged it as a computer system, and not a human.

Re: Turing Test Success

#100
"If a computer is mistaken for a human more than 30% of the time during a series of five minute keyboard conversations it passes the test. No computer has ever achieved this, until now. Eugene managed to convince 33% of the human judges that it was human."

SO the result can very depending on different conditions. :) Highly non deterministic

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