Google+ broke our trust • Hacker News Board

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by rando289 » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:02 PM UTC

dm2 wrote: post #51

wfjackson wrote: post #13

If there's one video that shows off the purposefully confusing Google+ and Youtube integration mess, its this one of a woman literally crying because of it. Warning: Strong language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs

There is a pretty large warning when you go to delete your Google+ account https://plus.google.com/downgrade/ It seems that a deleted YouTube channel can still be recovered and that the only thing that's lost is the views, private messages, and comments. The reason this lady deleted her account was that she was tired of receiving notifications, that setting can be changed here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings

> Why would someone make a video of themselves crying and post it on the internet?

More interesting: Why would someone make a well writtenish comment on the internet that is quite negative toward someone crying on the internet?

edit: you edited the quote out from underneath me. Good call imo.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by clsec » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:02 PM UTC

pron wrote: post #57

clsec wrote: post #34

I jumped on board early when I received an invite. I despised FB and was looking for for something that might actually resemble the tribe.net model of freedom and anonymity. Unfortunately, I was told that I had to use my real name and signed up accordingly. Everything was going along fine for about the first 9 months until I got into a small flame war with a woman in Canada about Scientologists (I used to work for so…

I can understand not wanting the NSA to snoop your correspondence. I can't understand letting Google do that for years, analyze it, profile you and sell that information to just about anyone, but then thinking that the NSA is the final straw.

Fair point, I agree. My gmail addy is used as a back-up account. I use it for sign-ups, minor business, and as a spam trap.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by clsec » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:04 PM UTC

oneweekwonder wrote: post #50

clsec wrote: post #34

I jumped on board early when I received an invite. I despised FB and was looking for for something that might actually resemble the tribe.net model of freedom and anonymity. Unfortunately, I was told that I had to use my real name and signed up accordingly. Everything was going along fine for about the first 9 months until I got into a small flame war with a woman in Canada about Scientologists (I used to work for so…

For interested sake what do you think Google and the NSA would have been able to get out of G+, that they can not get out of email? I understand you deleting the data does not remove it from Google but only publicly, but I just wonder.

In email I generally don't share all my beliefs and opinions whereas with G+ I did.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by nobbyclark » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:06 PM UTC

dm2 wrote: post #46

I'd love to see Google+ turn into a LinkedIn and Facebook killer. I just have no use for Google+ at the moment. I don't really like the tiles display and would prefer a list. The YouTube integration doesn't bother me at all because 1) I don't post YouTube comments, and 2) it's easy enough to just create a separate account for using with services that you don't want associated with your main Google account.

IMO the silently majority is tired of a panopticon of "look it me now" social services who's main use case is massaging users egos.

Google should start over, Android-first (instead of web -first) and make the phone Addressbook / Google Contacts the focal point for everything social. Look at WhatsApp - it does exactly this - your phone number is your ID and your contacts is your social graph; how you interact with them - who you call, message etc and when / where you do it - these are your circles

Meanwhile if you look at the direction Apple is going, eg new APIs for iCloud eg fingerprint authentication, new APIs for foto management / sharing etc etc. they look about ready to pounce on the whole of social...

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by bowlofpetunias » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:07 PM UTC

Google+ is just the most high profile symptom. The problem started when Google started using strategies against the fundamental nature of the internet.

We always assumed that Google was "good" because they understood and embraced the open and interconnected nature of the internet. They even stated so explicitly.

Google+, but also many other Google strategies follow the same pattern: trying to build walls instead of connecting, making things closed instead of more open.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by rumbler » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:09 PM UTC

diminish wrote: post #4

As an intensive user, everywhere on Google products, I feel the Microsoftization. This includes documentation with corporate jargon, the bloated and confusing Hangout fiasco, the frustrating way to connect multiple identities together. Did they hire any corporate UX/UI/branding/marketing/documentation guys from Redmond recently, after Larry Page's CEOship?

If you ask old people, they will tell you the same story, but about IBM. Every generation has its great, innovative tech company turned evil mastermind story. It seems to be hard to avoid. I wonder who will be next.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by raldi » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:09 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #59

raldi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how would you go about purchasing a list of products I like or might like?

You don't, that would be stupid of Google to sell that as it would be a one time sale. Google holds that data and has advertisers come to them, and pay them to make sure their products are seen by the people interested in related products. And the same thing next week. And the same thing the week after. The more information Google has on you to more accurately correlate your interests, the more valuable the data is a…

In other words, user data is not for sale.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by rwmj » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:10 PM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #29

I don't get it. So Brin announces to the world that Google+ is the new sliced bread in 2011. Then he tells a small group of people that he thinks he personally should not have been involved with G+. Also the leader of the G+ project leaves (one month after the project started? One month after Brin had his candid talk recently?) Where in this is the broken trust? What is the author actually upset about? Seems to me li…

You should probably read further than the first paragraph.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by clsec » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:10 PM UTC

ikusalic wrote: post #44

clsec wrote: post #34

I jumped on board early when I received an invite. I despised FB and was looking for for something that might actually resemble the tribe.net model of freedom and anonymity. Unfortunately, I was told that I had to use my real name and signed up accordingly. Everything was going along fine for about the first 9 months until I got into a small flame war with a woman in Canada about Scientologists (I used to work for so…

"Only" gmail? But isn't email the most important part of your online life? I moved away completely from Google. Fastmail.fm instead of gmail was one of my first moves. And I never looked back...

See my reply to pron, but yes. Everyone, and all business, that I want to know me are in my contacts on another service. I also use Thunderbird, and PGP when possible, with my gmail account so at least I don't see any advertising.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by joezydeco » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 2:12 PM UTC

higherpurpose wrote: post #3

I wish both Google and Microsoft would understand that you can't force change down users' throats. It needs to come naturally. They need to want it, and have it grow organically . Sure, forcing them will definitely bring you bigger "adoption" (for lack of a better word) faster, but it will also build up a lot of resentment, potentially negating any advantage you might have from ramming the change through, in the long…

Shareholders and analysts don't have the patience for a 3-year organic rampup. They want promises and returns by the end of the quarter. This is what happens when you go public.