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Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by dm2 »

wfjackson wrote: post #13

If there's one video that shows off the purposefully confusing Google+ and Youtube integration mess, its this one of a woman literally crying because of it. Warning: Strong language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs

There is a pretty large warning when you go to delete your Google+ account https://plus.google.com/downgrade/

It seems that a deleted YouTube channel can still be recovered and that the only thing that's lost is the views, private messages, and comments.

The reason this lady deleted her account was that she was tired of receiving notifications, that setting can be changed here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by oneweekwonder »

dm2 wrote: post #46

I'd love to see Google+ turn into a LinkedIn and Facebook killer. I just have no use for Google+ at the moment. I don't really like the tiles display and would prefer a list. The YouTube integration doesn't bother me at all because 1) I don't post YouTube comments, and 2) it's easy enough to just create a separate account for using with services that you don't want associated with your main Google account.

Do you have any details of the rewrite, what does it imply?

Backend, frontend, etc?

Even if you can just point me to the source it would be appreciated.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by frostmatthew »

asdfologist wrote: post #40
higherpurpose wrote: post #3

I wish both Google and Microsoft would understand that you can't force change down users' throats. It needs to come naturally. They need to want it, and have it grow organically . Sure, forcing them will definitely bring you bigger "adoption" (for lack of a better word) faster, but it will also build up a lot of resentment, potentially negating any advantage you might have from ramming the change through, in the long…

I disagree. Facebook forces changes upon users all the time, with success. For example, the news feed was suddenly forced on everyone, even amid much protest. The difference between FB and Google+ is that most users end up liking FB's changes, whereas that can't be said of Google+.

> The difference between FB and Google+ is that most users end up liking FB's changes, whereas that can't be said of Google+.

There's a difference between product changes (e.g. Facebook's news feed) and policy changes (e.g. forcing Google+ use for other Google products). People aren't upset with Google because they changed anything about G+, it's because they changed everything else for G+.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by motters »

wfjackson wrote: post #13

If there's one video that shows off the purposefully confusing Google+ and Youtube integration mess, its this one of a woman literally crying because of it. Warning: Strong language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs

I can sympathize with the woman in the video because I also always kept declining to link my YouTube login to my G+ login. I'm also considering deleting my Google account, and I expect that due to the horrible Microsoft-style integration once I do that anything I might have uploaded to YouTube will also disappear.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by ktran03 »

diminish wrote: post #4

As an intensive user, everywhere on Google products, I feel the Microsoftization. This includes documentation with corporate jargon, the bloated and confusing Hangout fiasco, the frustrating way to connect multiple identities together. Did they hire any corporate UX/UI/branding/marketing/documentation guys from Redmond recently, after Larry Page's CEOship?

Same sentiments here.

Microsoft was the admirable company of the 90's for me, and more recently it's Apple and Google. I really hope Google doesn't continue on this path, though it seems to be unavoidable in some ways.

Don't be evil was a good start, it's too bad the motto is inversely proportional to capitalistic gains.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by pron »

clsec wrote: post #34

I jumped on board early when I received an invite. I despised FB and was looking for for something that might actually resemble the tribe.net model of freedom and anonymity. Unfortunately, I was told that I had to use my real name and signed up accordingly. Everything was going along fine for about the first 9 months until I got into a small flame war with a woman in Canada about Scientologists (I used to work for so…

I can understand not wanting the NSA to snoop your correspondence. I can't understand letting Google do that for years, analyze it, profile you and sell that information to just about anyone, but then thinking that the NSA is the final straw.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by rando289 »

cbellet wrote: post #38
wfjackson wrote: post #13

If there's one video that shows off the purposefully confusing Google+ and Youtube integration mess, its this one of a woman literally crying because of it. Warning: Strong language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs

Hey, I can find videos of people angry at about anything that exists. Apple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFOx81Lm34c Facebook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhPzx2KLoUg Nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJNqn-Y3pdY Ah! Why is it so hard to make everyone happy?

> Hey, I can find videos of people angry at about anything that exists.

Actually, you can't, and your post is a bit rediculous.

For "features of websites that are widely used", how many of them are part of youtube crying videos? Probably ~0.0001% and it certainly could be useful to call one out.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by mhurron »

raldi wrote: post #45
adam74 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data is basically what products you like or might like. They sell this to anyone who wants to advertise using Adsense.

So how would you go about purchasing a list of products I like or might like?

You don't, that would be stupid of Google to sell that as it would be a one time sale.

Google holds that data and has advertisers come to them, and pay them to make sure their products are seen by the people interested in related products.

And the same thing next week.

And the same thing the week after.

The more information Google has on you to more accurately correlate your interests, the more valuable the data is and the more Google can charge for the access they provide.

Everything Google does to get you to give up more information is Google improving the product they have to sell.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by asdfologist »

frostmatthew wrote: post #54
asdfologist wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Facebook forces changes upon users all the time, with success. For example, the news feed was suddenly forced on everyone, even amid much protest. The difference between FB and Google+ is that most users end up liking FB's changes, whereas that can't be said of Google+.

> The difference between FB and Google+ is that most users end up liking FB's changes, whereas that can't be said of Google+. There's a difference between product changes (e.g. Facebook's news feed) and policy changes (e.g. forcing Google+ use for other Google products). People aren't upset with Google because they changed anything about G+, it's because they changed everything else for G+.

I don't think there's a difference at all. If you force a change (product/policy/whatever) and that change is generally desired, then it will work. FB forced changes that were popular. Google forced changes that were unpopular. I think that's pretty much all there is to it. Forcing changes in of itself doesn't lead to failure.
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