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The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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In the lower grades, I think a case can be made that during the time they are in class, students should not have any other demands on their time. In contrast, with college students, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that -- at least occasionally -- a student may need to "check out" from a lecture momentarily to deal with some pressing business, even if it means that he has to spend time later asking a classmat…

I think it would be considered rude to open up a full laptop and type out an email in the middle of a business meeting. But I do occasionally check my phone and even reply on it during meetings if it's not distracting. Anything more should require leaving the situation to open up a laptop.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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Not that laptops in the classroom are the solution, but in general we need to change the teaching strategy in lower and higher education any way. We need high-tech, 2014+ ready educational facilities, curricula and teaching strategies. Laptops can certainly be distracting but trying to maintain the status quo isn't going to benefit anyone.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

#13
So, I could get on my soapbox of "your students are adults, let them make their own decisions on note taking" or go on about how useful I found a calendar for remembering class schedules, but:

> We still haven’t made it easy to type notation-laden sentences, so the potential benefits were low.

Really? I found it fairly easy to type out full equations in LaTeX using LyX. Maybe the laptop isn't the problem, but that you only introduce your students to the most basic of word processors.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

#14
post #8

In the lower grades, I think a case can be made that during the time they are in class, students should not have any other demands on their time. In contrast, with college students, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that -- at least occasionally -- a student may need to "check out" from a lecture momentarily to deal with some pressing business, even if it means that he has to spend time later asking a classmat…

I think it would be considered rude to open up a full laptop and type out an email in the middle of a business meeting. But I do occasionally check my phone and even reply on it during meetings if it's not distracting. Anything more should require leaving the situation to open up a laptop.

I think it's the norm where I've worked that everyone starts meetings with their laptops already open. Sometimes it's not even really possible to participate without one, since people will expect you to refer to a PDF in the last email or go to an intranet site and whatnot. And lots of people take notes on the laptop as well, rather than relying on pen & paper.

If it was a business meeting in the sense of meeting with someone external to the organization, that might be different, but internal meetings are very laptop-oriented.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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My mom's a music teacher and this reminded me of a letter she wrote to the local newspaper after discovering they want to buy more computers for the classroom. Here goes:

I'm not denying that I am hopelessly old and outdated, but reading the article on Technology Needs for School District (May 15, 2014) literally made me cry; for two reasons. First, because the people who are in charge of education are actually going to do it, and second, that the Livingston parent community is so enthusiastic about it.

There is no doubt that computers are useful and that the Internet gives access to such a scope of information so quickly that is not available nor accessible through any other means. But how do they impact children's overall DEVELOPMENT? How do they impact their attention? With the pandemic of Attention Deficit Disorder, how can we be so blind not to notice the connection between children's attention span and the time they spend on the computer? I started teaching piano more than 30 years ago. EVERY child was capable to remember which note he had to play, with which finger, how to hold the finger and whether he had to play long or short, loud or soft - simultaneously. Now it is typical that when a child pays attention to what note it is, he does not notice which finger; if he remembers the finger – does not notice how loud, etc. I rarely see children that can actually focus on the task for longer than 20 seconds. I often ask parents, “How much time does your child spend on the computer?” The connection is direct: the less time on computer – the better the student's focus, the longer she can concentrate on the assignment. I happened to teach an elderly lady who brought a music book with her teacher's remarks dated 1958. She was nervous, “Will you quit on me? I forgot everything.” I answered (only half-jokingly), “Of course not, you are my only student with a normal attention span!”

Even though I observe 400+ students in my music school, can it be just coincidence? What does the beloved Internet tell us about the impact of computer use has on the brain? Nothing encouraging. As an example, there is a student work in biology (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/336, 2007) that summarizes finding on the topic. It states what I suspected: computers often conflict with the activities that are needed for one to develop the ability to pay attention; the list of scientific works is attached there. And if you still like long books, N. Carr addresses the issue in his “The Shallows: What Internet is Doing to Our Brains.”

What are we doing? Are we trying to compensate for having poor teachers with technology? Why do we adhere to such a naive belief that computers are the solution to problems in schools, thinking that “the more of them - the better” automatically? Maybe it's better to invest in teachers' training? Maybe we need to raise the prestige of the teaching profession? I participated in a “professional orientation” day in LHS several years ago. Seniors had an opportunity to meet with representatives of their prospective field. I saw crowds of seniors following “Lawyers” and “Accountants”. In the “Teachers” room, a retired Harrison school teacher and myself, who were assigned to lead the meeting, found 4 or 5 girls. Only one of them really wanted to be a teacher, knew what is involved and why she wanted it. Everyone else said, “I do not know”, “I am not sure”.. . Why do we expect our children will be enthusiastic about learning if teachers themselves “do not know”?.. And how computers can help?

The more that children use computers, the less opportunities they have for human interaction. 
By increasing the role of computers in children's lives we bend human nature, we consciously under-develop the younger generation; we deprive our children of full development of their communication skills, ability to build relationships, and their creativity. We are raising USERS, not CREATORS. We are increasing the distance between those who are capable to make discoveries and those who can chose from pre-made options; between people who can see the beauty of the world and those for whom the world is limited by the rectangle of the screen.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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One of the side points the author raised was interesting: namely, that there's a lack of good tooling for taking mathematical-notation heavy notes efficiently on laptop ... maybe some sort of Markdown with inline LaTeX (plain LaTeX is too much of a hassle to do paragraph/list formatting in). It shouldn't be technically difficult to build, it just oddly doesn't seem to exist yet.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

#17
If instructors really wanted to raise the quality of their classroom environments, instead of banning laptops, they'd commit to posting all their lectures, slides and announcements online and tell students that if they don't want to be there in person that they don't need to be.

Many people don't see the point in being physically present to hear someone talk and point at slides. Those that do, and aren't just attending because you might spring a surprise announcement or pop quiz on them, will be there to pay attention.

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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post #8

In the lower grades, I think a case can be made that during the time they are in class, students should not have any other demands on their time. In contrast, with college students, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that -- at least occasionally -- a student may need to "check out" from a lecture momentarily to deal with some pressing business, even if it means that he has to spend time later asking a classmat…

I find your examples unconvincing.

How many emails do you really get that are so urgent that they couldn't wait an hour? Why can't your babysitter text you (or, just IM on your smartphone)? Why are you the only person who can fix said critical bug (if it's fixable through the CMS, others should be able to handle it, if not, well, why are you running such terrible infrastructure when there are dozens of mature platforms?).

Also, for things that are legitimately small and quick, it's surprising what you can get done with an SSH client on your phone - if it needs more than that, you're likely going to miss the rest of the lecture anyway, so why not leave?

Re: The case for banning laptops in the classroom.

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post #8

In the lower grades, I think a case can be made that during the time they are in class, students should not have any other demands on their time. In contrast, with college students, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that -- at least occasionally -- a student may need to "check out" from a lecture momentarily to deal with some pressing business, even if it means that he has to spend time later asking a classmat…

For instance, maybe I'm in class, and I get an extremely important email and need to send an immediate reply. Maybe I'm a working-adult student and my babysitter has just IMed me. Maybe I manage the campus newspaper's website and someone just sent me a report of a critical bug that I need to deal with right away.

This isn't strictly a reply to jawns, but it's on a related topic that I've wondered about.

Fifteen years ago, such instantaneous, ubiquitous communication was very rare. I went through college without having instant notification of anything whatsoever, as did pretty much everyone I knew at the time.

Babysitters ran into issues fifteen years ago; there were bugs in websites fifteen years ago; there were critical emails being sent out fifteen years ago, but nobody expected constant, instant feedback because it was implausible, and everyone was okay with that.

Are our problems today really that much more urgent than they were then, that we truly need to be constantly connected? Or is this imaginary, and since we in theory can respond instantly, people now expect that we must?

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