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A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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My coworker had a smaller version of this in his cube. His son had made it in middle school and it had been going for 10+ years. I think his was sealed with wax or something. It's an easy experiment to reproduce and works great if you have enough time to wait around.

There are a variety of "Instructibles" for these. They're of variable quality and I have no idea how to select the instructible with most chance of sucess.

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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As someone who keeps both fresh water and salt water aquariums, it makes perfect sense that this is completely plausible. I think most aquarist are well aware that bacteria are the most powerful thing in keeping our aquarium ecosystems in balance.

By mass, that vast majority of living material in that bottle is almost certainly bacteria, some nitrifying, others denitrifying. All otherwise decomposing, consuming, and recycling the various chemistry within.

Think about the earth as a sealed globe within space, and you start to understand how good a job bacteria does at balancing the chemistry of life.

I've actually seen something similar to this at a local museum called an "Ecosphere", which includes tiny shrimp living inside. They've been known to last for over ten years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosphere_(aquarium)

Carl Sagan's review of an Ecosphere: http://www.eco-sphere.com/sagan.html

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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I don't think we can say it's clearly working... This seems like an extraordinary claim and it's hard to know if there's any truth fudging.

Another puzzling factor is the clarity of the glass. When I've seen bottle gardens, they all develop a thick scum from minerals in condensation, algae, and bacterial plaques.

This is a great GREAT point.

It would be nice to hear an explanation.

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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From a related article: "But the eco-system also uses cellular respiration to break down decaying material shed by the plant. In this part of the process, bacteria inside the soil of the bottle garden absorbs the plant's waste oxygen and releasing carbon dioxide which the growing plant can reuse."

Was this a planned hack, or does this naturally occur? My first thought was also, "Where does the CO2 come from?" I suspect this is a very fine balance - if you're off by just a little, one or the other would die. There's not much room for error in a jar.

> There's not much room for error in a jar.

Article mentions that most of the jars failed.

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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> Biosphere 2 fell apart Wait, what's this? What happened?

Biosphere2 was an experiment to seal humans and plants i to a dome and not open it for some time. Fungus and other pests destroyed some important plants and the eco system collapsed. It had been built in the middle of a desert but urban expansion means the site is reasonably near housing now. There were a bunch of photos of the dusty derelict interiors floating around a few years ago. I kind of wish people would try…

Evidently it's not derelict anymore... the University of Arizon has owned it since 2011. Lookin' pretty cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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Blogspam, original at http://www.nollywoodone.com/latest-additions/8934-the-sealed...

'The Internet Movie Database for Africa' is the original? For that article it's probably the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2267504/The-s... He started it in 1960 with 'about a quarter of a pint of water', then added water in 1972.

Thank you. We changed the url from http://www.pickchur.com/2013/02/53-years-old-sealed-bottle-g... and the title from "53 years old Sealed Bottle Garden was last watered in 1972".

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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What I'm more amused by is the level of scepticism over an self contained eco-system. In order for any eco-system, either contained or not contained, there has to be much greater tolerances to extreme conditions that we generally acknowledge. In truth, outside of absolute extremes where organic life is simply impossible because or either denaturing or absolute destruction of organic material, life will exist. It's al…

> now contains bacteria, fungi, or other organisms

Whichever types it contains now, surely it started out with :)

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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Isn't it how the world worked before animals evolved? Or is there some yet another source of CO2?

Fungus produces CO2 from plant tissues as well, so they are probably an important component of this ecosystem.

Did you just imply Fungi are plants?

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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So in a symbiotic bacteria/fungi/plant ecosystem, I can understand why CO2, H2O, and O2 might be able to remain in balance. But decomposition produces not only CO2, but CO, CH4, nitrate chemistry... I have trouble understanding why this cycle isn't at least a little bit leaky, since it seems like some of the trace gasses wouldn't automatically have all of the biological, solar, and marine sinks available in nature. I…

I've had a terrarium in a sealed mason jar on my desk at work for 2 or 3 years now and have never once opened it. It seems like everything grows much much slower in there. There's some type of grass that has maybe grown 2 inches in that time and a leafy plant that hasn't grown appreciably either. The leaves don't really fall off, so decomposition is at a minimum. Perhaps the waste products of decomposition keep the bacteria and whatnot in balance.

Re: A sealed bottle garden thriving after 40 years without fresh air or water

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What I'm more amused by is the level of scepticism over an self contained eco-system. In order for any eco-system, either contained or not contained, there has to be much greater tolerances to extreme conditions that we generally acknowledge. In truth, outside of absolute extremes where organic life is simply impossible because or either denaturing or absolute destruction of organic material, life will exist. It's al…

> now contains bacteria, fungi, or other organisms Whichever types it contains now , surely it started out with :)

Not necessarily. The bacteria might have evolved inside the bottle.
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