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Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by pdmccormick »

rjvir wrote: post #26
peterkelly wrote: post #13

Except you've thrown away everything that's happened since 1973, some of which you may still want. There's going to be a lot of awful lot of manual conflict resolution to handle - or is there a "world" script that can be run off the new HEAD that plays out the series of events that result from the sentinels being prevented?

I think the idea is that you don't have access to the other timeline, because none of the characters should. All that's left of the dark timeline is in Wolverines's head, which is accounted for!

(SPOILER ALERT)

To me, the beauty of the story is that, while we as viewers do not know what has transpired in the universe between 1973 and present, neither does Wolverine. Further, since he stills ends up at the School with his friends alive in the present day, we know that a lot of character development has necessarily happened, because we saw analogous stories in the earlier movies from the now lost timeline. So while the events of the previous movies are now no longer canonical history, they are as real to Logan as they were to us, and their emotional impact still affected Logan's life in a very real way. Meanwhile, going forward the script writers are no longer slaves to continuity, which, after the third film blew up everything, greatly restricted what they could do with the main cast of characters in the present day setting.

In my opinion, so many "time reset" plots (think Star Trek Voyager's Year of Hell) leave the viewer empty because they truly have no lasting consequence on the character's we love. SF Debris (http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/voy-year-of-hel...) made the incredible suggestion that, in that Star Trek story, imagine what if, due to some kind of quantum chronometric mumbo jumbo, one of the crew members (say, Harry Kim!) had survived the big reset with their memories and experiences of the year intact. But instead, apart from some shallow insights into the characters in a "what if" scenario, it was as though it never happened.

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by kitwalker12 »

nailer wrote: post #14

Also: apocalypse@eygpt$ git init touch README.md; git add README.md git commit -m 'Build Pyramids'

LOL...

  git remote add horseman1 git@github.horseman1/apocalypse.git
  git remote add horseman2 git@github.horseman2/apocalypse.git
  git remote add horseman3 git@github.horseman3/apocalypse.git
  git remote add horseman4 git@github.horseman4/apocalypse.git

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by kemayo »

hpvic03 wrote: post #5
maurobaraldi wrote: post #4

Easy to explain cronology of new X-Men movie. I want to see you do the same with Primer!

Haha now that would be a challenge

Though in large part it's a challenge because we only see hints at some of the timelines, so we'd have to make guesses and leave some placeholder branches in...

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by baddox »

rjvir wrote: post #26
peterkelly wrote: post #13

Except you've thrown away everything that's happened since 1973, some of which you may still want. There's going to be a lot of awful lot of manual conflict resolution to handle - or is there a "world" script that can be run off the new HEAD that plays out the series of events that result from the sentinels being prevented?

I think the idea is that you don't have access to the other timeline, because none of the characters should. All that's left of the dark timeline is in Wolverines's head, which is accounted for!

So Wolverine at the end of the film wouldn't remember anything that happened to him (and his body) between 1973 and the present in the new timeline which he created, right? He would just remember his original timeline, plus the stuff that we see him do in the film.

You see that in the film, where he meets some characters he previously knew but didn't expect to see. But we don't see the other side of this: there are surely characters in the new timeline that Wolverine is very close to that he will have no memory of. I guess that sucks for those characters.

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by baddox »

collinjackson wrote: post #30

Why did Wolverine regain his memory in the future?

(In case it's not a given, spoilers for Days of Future Past below.)

He didn't. He just has all his memories from the original timeline (e.g. previous X-Men and Wolverine films), plus the events he experienced during Days of Future Past. He has no memory of what happened to him between 1973 and the present in the new timeline (which he created). That's why he's surprised to see a few characters at the end of DoFP. He remembers them from the original timeline, but he also remembers them dying in the original timeline. What would be much stranger is if they had never met him in the new timelines (in which case he would remember them but they wouldn't know him), or if he had met someone in the new timeline but not the original timeline (in which case they would know him but he would have no memory of them).

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by qbrass »

rjvir wrote: post #26
peterkelly wrote: post #13

Except you've thrown away everything that's happened since 1973, some of which you may still want. There's going to be a lot of awful lot of manual conflict resolution to handle - or is there a "world" script that can be run off the new HEAD that plays out the series of events that result from the sentinels being prevented?

I think the idea is that you don't have access to the other timeline, because none of the characters should. All that's left of the dark timeline is in Wolverines's head, which is accounted for!

> I think the idea is that you don't have access to the other timeline, because none of the characters should. All that's left of the dark timeline is in Wolverines's head, which is accounted for!

The Professor was in Wolverine's head back in the day and might have learned a few things that needed to to be done.

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by qbrass »

baddox wrote: post #36
rjvir wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that you don't have access to the other timeline, because none of the characters should. All that's left of the dark timeline is in Wolverines's head, which is accounted for!

So Wolverine at the end of the film wouldn't remember anything that happened to him (and his body) between 1973 and the present in the new timeline which he created, right? He would just remember his original timeline, plus the stuff that we see him do in the film. You see that in the film, where he meets some characters he previously knew but didn't expect to see. But we don't see the other side of this: there are s…

>I guess that sucks for those characters.

Wolverine's return to the new future essentially kills off the one that had been living in that timeline since 1973 and nobody cares.

Re: The new X-Men movie explained in Git

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Post by noblethrasher »

qbrass wrote: post #39
baddox wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Wolverine at the end of the film wouldn't remember anything that happened to him (and his body) between 1973 and the present in the new timeline which he created, right? He would just remember his original timeline, plus the stuff that we see him do in the film. You see that in the film, where he meets some characters he previously knew but didn't expect to see. But we don't see the other side of this: there are s…

>I guess that sucks for those characters. Wolverine's return to the new future essentially kills off the one that had been living in that timeline since 1973 and nobody cares.

But, there's a nice narrative symmetry because he had missing memories when he was first introduced way back in X-Men.
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