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Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible

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This is confusing...if you only eat X calories per day and exercise, you will lose weight, and permanently (assuming you don't give up), is this more of a mental thing they're talking about?

Food abuse may not be the only culprit in the obesity epidemy.

antibiotics might have some responsability as well [0] by destroying parts of the gut flora

[0]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/opinion/sunday/the-fat-dru.... reply

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you stop smoking crack, you're cured of addiction! It is saying that we don't have any reliable way for an obese individual to restrict their diet to X calories per day other than bariatric surgery.

Okay, so, in the same vein then: "Crack research confirms long-term crack smoking prevention almost impossible". Sounds kinda off, no? It's a mental thing, and by mental, I don't mean "It's all in your head", I mean "It's (literally) all in your head".

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Punk science? How about taking opiates on a regular basis?)

What about, god forbid, taking a 5 km. run twice a week? How about never again drinking a bottled coke/soda/pop, only teas without sugar (good teas are much better without sugar)?

Almost everything is possible to some extent only via changing ones habits because, in some sense, everything, including our ability to stand straight, is a habit.)

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Just losing weight is fairly easy. Keeping low body-fat % while maintaining decent amount of muscle is what is really challenging.

I have no idea why people are voting you down. It must be out of pure utter ignorance with no practical experience in trying to do this. As someone who weight lifts naturally what you said is factually correct viz. (a) it is as easy as counting calories and eating at a deficit. (b) it's difficult to eat at a deficit and keep muscle mass because you're essentially low on fuel and your body has to burn something for energy, trying to stay out of a catabolic state requires diligence.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, so, in the same vein then: "Crack research confirms long-term crack smoking prevention almost impossible". Sounds kinda off, no? It's a mental thing, and by mental, I don't mean "It's all in your head", I mean "It's (literally) all in your head".

Lots of research has demonstrated that most crack addicts (and alcohol addicts, and nicotine addicts) who try to quit relapse. I thought that was an accepted part of science. Why do you think it sounds kinda off?

It's off because something that is impossible denotes some sort of 'law of nature' that cannot be avoided, where as in reality it's more brain/willpower related.

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Just losing weight is fairly easy. Keeping low body-fat % while maintaining decent amount of muscle is what is really challenging.

I have no idea why people are voting you down. It must be out of pure utter ignorance with no practical experience in trying to do this. As someone who weight lifts naturally what you said is factually correct viz. (a) it is as easy as counting calories and eating at a deficit. (b) it's difficult to eat at a deficit and keep muscle mass because you're essentially low on fuel and your body has to burn something for en…

I didn't down vote, but saying that losing weight is easy is like saying playing the piano is easy. In reality, they are indeed both easy, but you need determination and time.

Re: Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible

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This is confusing...if you only eat X calories per day and exercise, you will lose weight, and permanently (assuming you don't give up), is this more of a mental thing they're talking about?

"This is confusing...if you only eat X calories per day and exercise, you will lose weight, and permanently"

Not really. "Calories" is just a physical quantity. It measures the energy that the combustion of something produces after putting it on a calorimeter. This needs a lot of energy.

So for example, you put sugar on a calorimeter, you give it (lots of) energy(making temp go up hundreds of Celsius degrees or pressure of several atmospheres) that you measure with precision to initialize the combustion and then you measure the energy the reaction produces.

So, according to the formula: "calories" of sugar = energy out - energy in [of burning].

Note that in a calorimeter you don't care about the residue.

This is completely different to what metabolism does, in fact the living organism do not raise metabolites hundred of Celsius degrees, they use enzimes, and the byproducts and waste are completely different because living organisms have to get rid of them, so the byproducts have to be something the blood could carry.

So calories are just the UPPER LIMIT of what a metabolic reaction could give the body if the byproduct were to be the same, that are not.

Living organism break molecules link one by one in a series of chained reactions, which is itself called "methabolic reaction".

Every methabolic reaction is DIFFERENT. The human beings do not process pentose sugar the same as glucose sugar or methanol or an oil.

Some process require double or triple the steps of others, some are poisonous to your body(very acidic, or neuro transmitters, like alcohol or whatever) so the body tries to get rid of them as fast as he can.

Industrial processes completely disrupted the food we eat. Omega 6 oil replaced natural Omega 3 intake(as the animals we eat eat fodder), palm and hidrogenated oils anywhere and corn syrup sugar with no fiber(difficult to preserve in the fridge).

Re: Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you stop smoking crack, you're cured of addiction! It is saying that we don't have any reliable way for an obese individual to restrict their diet to X calories per day other than bariatric surgery.

No, the study is saying that there is no reliable way (within the norms of modern western society) a third party can convince an obese individual to put down the fork. It says nothing about whether an obese individual will lose weight if they do choose to eat less. Clearly they can - gravity is not causing food to fly into their mouth whether they want it or not.

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