Can I drop a pacemaker 0day?

Post by seehafer » Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 1:35 AM UTC

iandanforth wrote: post #9

jph wrote: post #7

Absolutely NOT because this could kill people. If you truly have a pacemaker 0day, contact me (joelparkerhenderson) on most major service and I will connect you with my healthcare policy lawyer. She can rapidly open the doors to the vendors who have the risk.

Do most medical device manufacturers carry insurance against lawsuits? If so, historically, how high has the bar been before the insurers pay out? If there is a strong relationship between a device manufacturer getting sued and an insurer losing money then this could be a great contact to try.

Post by seehafer » Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 1:37 AM UTC

ntrepid8 wrote: post #6

What pacemaker communicates via blue tooth? Last I checked they all used induction telemetry (which requires the telemetry wand to be within several inches of the device) or MICS band radio for distance telemetry. I think some Boston Scientific devices used 900MHz at one time, but how many of those are still in the wild? The only instances of "hacking" a pacemaker (or ICD) have been when researchers used a programmer…

Post by _mgr » Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 1:43 AM UTC

wheaties wrote: post #16

redthrowaway wrote: post #14

Call up CNN and offer to demonstrate how BIOTRONIC is so evil that they refuse to fix their pacemakers. Hook it up to an ECG and use your phone to make it flatline. Then turn to the camera and tell the audience, "because BIOTRONIC doesn't want to pay to fix their product, I can now kill your grandmother just by walking past her on the street." Watch how long it takes them to fix it then, and watch how reactive they b…

Now THAT is how you do it. Grab a "shock of the week" angle and play it for anyone that wants to watch. Only issue is getting a "non-defective" pacemaker. Those things aren't cheap or easy to come by without ordering it from the manufacturer. Whatever profit you could have shorting the stock you'd lose almost immediately by having to purchase the devise.

Post by bryanh » Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 1:43 AM UTC

redthrowaway wrote: post #14

Call up CNN and offer to demonstrate how BIOTRONIC is so evil that they refuse to fix their pacemakers. Hook it up to an ECG and use your phone to make it flatline. Then turn to the camera and tell the audience, "because BIOTRONIC doesn't want to pay to fix their product, I can now kill your grandmother just by walking past her on the street." Watch how long it takes them to fix it then, and watch how reactive they b…

Post by tlrobinson » Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 1:48 AM UTC

wheaties wrote: post #16

redthrowaway wrote: post #14

Call up CNN and offer to demonstrate how BIOTRONIC is so evil that they refuse to fix their pacemakers. Hook it up to an ECG and use your phone to make it flatline. Then turn to the camera and tell the audience, "because BIOTRONIC doesn't want to pay to fix their product, I can now kill your grandmother just by walking past her on the street." Watch how long it takes them to fix it then, and watch how reactive they b…

Now THAT is how you do it. Grab a "shock of the week" angle and play it for anyone that wants to watch. Only issue is getting a "non-defective" pacemaker. Those things aren't cheap or easy to come by without ordering it from the manufacturer. Whatever profit you could have shorting the stock you'd lose almost immediately by having to purchase the devise.