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Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by 0x0 » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:31 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #9

0x0 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?langua...

Actually, it is: > The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services. http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX109.pdf

In the same PDF, actually in the section 2B(iii) you are refering to:

"If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, (...) you are granted a (...) license (...) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments (...)".

So "No OSX version allows for virtualizing it as a guest VM" looks like an incorrect statement to me. Instead, some OSX versions DO seem to allow for virtualizing as a guest VM, under some conditions.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by josteink » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:35 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #6

You do know this violates the EULA for OSX? No OSX version allows for virtualizing it as a guest VM. (just pointing it out)

Honest question: has anyone ever cared for a EULA on hn except for bickering about getting Apple's poorly compatible consumer-os to run on regular consumer hardware?

I can't think if a single case.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by Alupis » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:35 PM UTC

0x0 wrote: post #11

Alupis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it is: > The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services. http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX109.pdf

In the same PDF, actually in the section 2B(iii) you are refering to: "If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, (...) you are granted a (...) license (...) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments (...)". So "No OSX version allows for virtualizing it as a guest VM" looks like an incorrect sta…

Hmm, appears you are correct.

Previous versions just flat-out banned any sort of virtualization.

Appears this release now allows you to have up-to 2 OSX guests running ontop of an OSX host.

(A pathetic attempt at allowing virtualization imho, my Xen hosts at the office have 10-30 guests running concurrently per box)

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by mhurron » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:36 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #10

I find it humerus that getting osx to run in a controlled environment, useful for testing simulation etc takes more hacking and more work than any Linux distro ever did, even in the early days. Despite this Mac people insists getting Linux to work is "hard" when it mostly works out of the box on any hardware. Amazing.

What does installing OS X on hardware it was never tested on have to do with the number of Mac users not wanting to use a OS that requires work beyond turning the computer on?

Linux is harder than OS X to get running, when you follow the OS X EULA.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by 0x0 » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:39 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #13

0x0 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same PDF, actually in the section 2B(iii) you are refering to: "If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, (...) you are granted a (...) license (...) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments (...)". So "No OSX version allows for virtualizing it as a guest VM" looks like an incorrect sta…

Hmm, appears you are correct. Previous versions just flat-out banned any sort of virtualization. Appears this release now allows you to have up-to 2 OSX guests running ontop of an OSX host. (A pathetic attempt at allowing virtualization imho, my Xen hosts at the office have 10-30 guests running concurrently per box)

Well, it's not completely unreasonable given that Apple is in the business of selling hardware. Of course they want you to buy macs. :)

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by justizin » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:42 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #10

I find it humerus that getting osx to run in a controlled environment, useful for testing simulation etc takes more hacking and more work than any Linux distro ever did, even in the early days. Despite this Mac people insists getting Linux to work is "hard" when it mostly works out of the box on any hardware. Amazing.

"Despite this Mac people insists getting Linux to work is "hard" when it mostly works out of the box on any hardware. Amazing."

This kind of divisiveness is not necessary. Clearly you have some dim folks in your midst.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by stock_toaster » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:42 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #6

You do know this violates the EULA for OSX? No OSX version allows for virtualizing it as a guest VM. (just pointing it out)

This is false. Since Lion (I think it was), the wording allows installation of up to 2 additional copies as VMs, provided the underlying hardware is a Apple/Mac.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by Alupis » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:43 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #14

josteink wrote: post #10

I find it humerus that getting osx to run in a controlled environment, useful for testing simulation etc takes more hacking and more work than any Linux distro ever did, even in the early days. Despite this Mac people insists getting Linux to work is "hard" when it mostly works out of the box on any hardware. Amazing.

What does installing OS X on hardware it was never tested on have to do with the number of Mac users not wanting to use a OS that requires work beyond turning the computer on? Linux is harder than OS X to get running, when you follow the OS X EULA.

Very much so not true:

http://fedoraproject.org/

http://www.ubuntu.com/

Download an ISO and install it.

I think you will be surprised. Pop the disk in after burning to a CD/DVD. Click "install", reboot and you are done.

Doesn't matter what your hardware is... it will install and work.

Other than getting a computer with a pre-installed OS, it really can't get much simpler. Modern Linux Desktops do not require you to do anything but click the "install" button. You don't have to mess with partitioning, packages, etc. You can understand absolutely nothing about Linux and install it easily and use it easily.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by 0x0 » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:45 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #10

I find it humerus that getting osx to run in a controlled environment, useful for testing simulation etc takes more hacking and more work than any Linux distro ever did, even in the early days. Despite this Mac people insists getting Linux to work is "hard" when it mostly works out of the box on any hardware. Amazing.

That's probably because it's so new in QEMU.

VMWare, for one, have been able to do this for quite a while with the effort of ~1 mouseclick.

Edit: Not sure if troll or not?! Getting Linux to run as a guest in Xen 0.0.1 probably took some work, too.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by stormbrew » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:45 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #6

You do know this violates the EULA for OSX? No OSX version allows for virtualizing it as a guest VM. (just pointing it out)

Which is a real shame. It means that testing OSX software is significantly more expensive than testing software on any other popular OS due to the need for a Mac host.