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The day I left my son in the car

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Re: The day I left my son in the car

#81
post #12

Another example of why you should never talk to the cops. When they come to ask, "Did you or your wife leave your child in the car?" Only acceptable response is: come back with a warrant.

They already had evidence of the facts at hand, if not evidence of wrongdoing. > a bystander had noticed me leaving my son in the car, had recorded the incident using a phone’s camera, and had then contacted the police.

Fortunately the car the registered with grandparents -- unfortunately, they talked.

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#82

Seriously, this is my number one reason for not having kids. For the younger crowd who may not understand, I was born in '77: - I rode in the back hatch (no seats) of my dad's corvette until I was 8, cops would wave to us. - At 6 I could ride my bike around pretty much anywhere I wanted, but wasn't allowed to cross rt6 (which I didn't, though no one checked). - Left in the car in parking lots for up to an hour. - Arr…

Putting children in the seatless back hatch of a Corvette was probably not a great parenting call either.

Not everything that used to be S.O.P. for parents was good judgement. Not every safety concern we've developed over the last 20 years is wrong. Some of them are very valid.

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#84

I once left my puppy beagle in the back of my car, windows cracked, while I ran into the restaurant to pick up takeout. I was not in there more than 5 mins. When I got out, started to pull away, and was stopped by a cop who then called animal services. This level of nanny-state-ism drives me slightly crazy. But the real issue for me was the person who decided s/he needed to call the police (the police for this). If i…

You're assuming that whoever sees the dog has the time to sit and wait and observe. What if they were to assume that you were making a quick stop but you actually weren't, didn't notify anyone, and your dog dies.

Would you regret not being notified?

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#85
post #70

I've flagged down a cop seeing a kid alone in a car, and would do it again. Should people who leave their toddlers in cars be prosecuted criminally? That's a complicated question. In almost every reasonable case the answer is probably "no". But this article doesn't really grapple with that question. Instead, it's a stew of rationalization and misdirection. It is literally an argument for leaving kids alone in cars .…

What, exactly, are the risks to a child in a locked car on a cool day for five minutes?

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#86
post #70

I've flagged down a cop seeing a kid alone in a car, and would do it again. Should people who leave their toddlers in cars be prosecuted criminally? That's a complicated question. In almost every reasonable case the answer is probably "no". But this article doesn't really grapple with that question. Instead, it's a stew of rationalization and misdirection. It is literally an argument for leaving kids alone in cars .…

She wasn't "grappling", she was retelling what was probably the most emotionally trying experience of her entire life. Cut her some slack maybe?

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#87
post #29
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The very big difference is that child-bakes-in-the-car heat deaths are not because Dad left the kids in the car while he ran in to the store for a few minutes, but because Dad forgot the kid was in the car at all. http://www.parenting.com/article/tragedy-in-the-backseat-hot...

Parent runs into store for few minutes, trips and knocks head becoming unconcious / has stroke / has heart attack / etc etc - child dies. Having said that, This story is a really good example of how tough it is for some parents and how hostile society is to parenting.

I think like this, always able to consider the worst case scenario. So, whilst I've left my kid(s) in the car on occassions I've never left them without leaving the window open a bit ... of course that makes it easier to open the door and kidnap them ...

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#88
post #2

I'd be interested in hearing non-US perspectives on this. Is it acceptable elsewhere to leave your small child alone in the car for 5 minutes while you get something from a store? Would you fear for the child's safety, of legal action, or neither? Is the US leading the way criminalizing parents who do such things, or are there other countries that have been doing this for years?

Relevant German case law assumes that children are NOT under constant, uninterrupted supervision. Children being able to do things at least somewhat independently is considered important for developing self-reliance [1] and can override the parents' legal duty to supervise them; barring unusual circumstances, watching your child constantly is considered undesirable for the child's development. For example, it is considered more important for six year olds to walk to school on their own than for parents to provide supervision during that time (barring exceptional circumstances, such as a disability).

Checking on your four-year old son every 15-30 minutes is generally sufficient (modulo the circumstances and the child's maturity).

[1] Which is not to say that helicopter parenting isn't on the rise in Germany, too. The difference is that the police and teachers ask that parents NOT drive their children to school or pick them up afterwards, and some parents do it anyway.

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#89
post #40

30-40 a year, mostly from suffocation sounds almost negligible. It seems fine if you crack the window and they know how to get out.

With a four year old, the prospect that they might get out of the car is one of the bigger worries you should have. A four year old walking alone through a parking lot is incredibly dangerous.

Re: The day I left my son in the car

#90
post #85
post #70

I've flagged down a cop seeing a kid alone in a car, and would do it again. Should people who leave their toddlers in cars be prosecuted criminally? That's a complicated question. In almost every reasonable case the answer is probably "no". But this article doesn't really grapple with that question. Instead, it's a stew of rationalization and misdirection. It is literally an argument for leaving kids alone in cars .…

What, exactly, are the risks to a child in a locked car on a cool day for five minutes?

My thoughts immediately go to "that they will get hit by a car when they figure out how to get out".
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