Gittip, Year Two • Hacker News Board

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by danilocampos » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 7:58 PM UTC

joaren wrote: post #179

danilocampos wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. A pox upon the beggars. How dare they ask others to volunteer money for a cause or outcome they believe in. I call for refunds from: Pebble Oculus Reading Rainbow Lifx Double Fine Adventure Lavabit Wikileaks Ron Paul Barack May they think carefully in the future before acting in such poor taste.

Nice straw man. Most of those actually produce something useful, and there is a direct relationship between money given and product delivered. I mean Jesus, earlier I saw Ashe Dryden complain that Gittip "doesn't care about her safety" and that she's now in a precarious position because she's "locked in" to it. Pretty sure she's the one who asked people to give her all that money. If she doesn't like it, she can go b…

Now you'll have to prove that the gittippers don't produce something useful.

An entire community of marginalized tech professionals will be standing right there watching.

Have fun!

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by ta140604 » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:02 PM UTC

rhizome wrote: post #173

ta140604 wrote: post #161

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Agreed. The problem is, they exaggerate and twist the truth, spread hate, unnecessarily antagonizing people, and actively push away those who try to reach out to them trying to do something.

I don't agree that any of that is a problem. It's not their responsibility to help you do the right thing any more than it's a (again with the theme) QA person's job to teach the programmer proper coding practice. Separation of concerns, if you will.

If we go on with your analogy, QA report would look as follows: "Your piece of shit program burned down the whole fucking server farm, you useless assclown! You belong in jail!", where the real bug was maybe a crash. That's not a good, or even acceptable QA report, I'd say.

Look, if you think saying "men are rapists" is not a problem, there's not much to discuss here. Before that point I had my doubts - okay, they're self-righteous hateful hypocrites, but maybe they're right? I DO know there are problems that women face - maybe they know something I don't, and I should try harder and listen to them?

After that I just noped out.

And, BTW, their inability to reflect on their action, admit mistakes and apologize is another huge red flag. (I haven't seen any examples, at least - please let me know if you have any, I'd be very glad to see them)

And FWIW, I didn't downvote you.

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by joaren » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:05 PM UTC

danilocampos wrote: post #181

joaren wrote: post #179

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Nice straw man. Most of those actually produce something useful, and there is a direct relationship between money given and product delivered. I mean Jesus, earlier I saw Ashe Dryden complain that Gittip "doesn't care about her safety" and that she's now in a precarious position because she's "locked in" to it. Pretty sure she's the one who asked people to give her all that money. If she doesn't like it, she can go b…

Now you'll have to prove that the gittippers don't produce something useful. An entire community of marginalized tech professionals will be standing right there watching. Have fun!

For Christ's sake, are you incapable of making a coherent argument? Your own list is inconsistent, lumping together ineffectual platitude salesmen and corrupt politicians with product developers.

If you'd manage to extract your head from your ass for 5 seconds, you'd realize these spoiled princesses have set back the cause of "marginalized tech professionals" more than a dozen titstares combined.

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by danilocampos » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:20 PM UTC

joaren wrote: post #183

danilocampos wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you'll have to prove that the gittippers don't produce something useful. An entire community of marginalized tech professionals will be standing right there watching. Have fun!

For Christ's sake, are you incapable of making a coherent argument? Your own list is inconsistent, lumping together ineffectual platitude salesmen and corrupt politicians with product developers. If you'd manage to extract your head from your ass for 5 seconds, you'd realize these spoiled princesses have set back the cause of "marginalized tech professionals" more than a dozen titstares combined.

As a guy on the margins, I can't say I agree with you.

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by tshepang » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:29 PM UTC

verelo wrote: post #157

Lets say i have a serious problem i need solved and i see gittip as a great way to encourage someone to do. How do i go from this homepage to giving my money to the person who will solve it? Or is this just for the case where someone has already done great work, and i want them to continue it (literally a tip)?

More the latter than the former. There are more suitable tools for the former, e.g. Paypal.

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by urbanautomaton » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:30 PM UTC

danilocampos wrote: post #184

joaren wrote: post #183

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For Christ's sake, are you incapable of making a coherent argument? Your own list is inconsistent, lumping together ineffectual platitude salesmen and corrupt politicians with product developers. If you'd manage to extract your head from your ass for 5 seconds, you'd realize these spoiled princesses have set back the cause of "marginalized tech professionals" more than a dozen titstares combined.

As a guy on the margins, I can't say I agree with you.

And as a guy not on the margins, who has been repeatedly educated and informed by these "spoiled princesses", I can't say I agree with him either. I find their work incredibly valuable, so I'd be interested to hear why joaren believes they're setting back their own cause.

Well, maybe "interested" is overstating it a bit. "Morbidly curious"?

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by baddox » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:41 PM UTC

rhizome wrote: post #158

ta140604 wrote: post #81

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I believe he was referring to the top two receivers, Shanley [1] and Ashe[2]. These two are a part of the group of very aggressive feminists; there's no official 'group' to speak of (AFAIK), just a network of people supporting each other. Just to give a few names - Alex Gaynor (member of PSF board), Jacob Kaplan-Moss (yep, Django ex-BDFL), Coda Hale (HN/codahale, see his last messages here on HN [3], they're just abo…

Pointing out problems is actually a very important part of any solution. You don't lambaste QA people because they don't actually fix bugs.

I would lambaste QA people who communicate like that, even if they are occasionally pointing out real problems.

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by tshepang » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:43 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #167

ivanca wrote: post #23

Ok, you guys need to make some changes, and I would recommend: - Allow monthly payments, instead of only weekly: most people receive money monthly so their economy math is based on monthly periods. - The company giving the biggest amount of money is giving $1095... you should try to involve Mozilla and other big non-profits to donate, basically because giving monthly money to open-source (non-employees) devs is one o…

$1095 a week is over $50K a week, that's a substantial amount of money over a year.

"$50K a week" --> "$50K a year"

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by urbanautomaton » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 8:44 PM UTC

joaren wrote: post #179

danilocampos wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. A pox upon the beggars. How dare they ask others to volunteer money for a cause or outcome they believe in. I call for refunds from: Pebble Oculus Reading Rainbow Lifx Double Fine Adventure Lavabit Wikileaks Ron Paul Barack May they think carefully in the future before acting in such poor taste.

Nice straw man. Most of those actually produce something useful, and there is a direct relationship between money given and product delivered. I mean Jesus, earlier I saw Ashe Dryden complain that Gittip "doesn't care about her safety" and that she's now in a precarious position because she's "locked in" to it. Pretty sure she's the one who asked people to give her all that money. If she doesn't like it, she can go b…

> If she doesn't like it, she can go back to actually working for a living, like the rest of us.

The rest of us turn up for 8 hours on a good day, turn in shitty code on our horrifically-factored, monolithic Rails app that some other poor shlub will have to maintain, break off at 2pm on a Friday for craft beer and convince ourselves we're changing the goddamn world with our latest social widget.

"Working for a living, like the rest of us"? Don't make me laugh.

The most half-assed Ruby dev, and oh my goodness there's some competition for that title, would easily be earning an integer multiple of what Ashe gets on gittip. You quite clearly know absolutely zilch about how much work Ashe does, and you so very obviously have no idea whatsoever how to value it, so how about you quieten down and go take a look at yourself, eh?

Re: Gittip, Year Two

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Post by swampangel » Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 9:12 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #166

j46a1 wrote: post #138

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I'm glad that others are voicing their dissent. Gittip has went from an idea of giving open source developers a way to supplement their income via time spent writing software. Instead, it's been hijacked by toxic social justice warriors. One is even for someone supporting their legal issues (unrelated in any way whatsoever to tech). I'd love to see a statement by someone at Gittip responding to this.

I'm pretty amazed I got at least three downvotes for what I think is a pretty mild observation.

The post that spawned this subthread amounts to "Since gittip's main beneficiaries are women I disagree with, gittip should be shut down".

In that context, do you see how your post is stoking the fire?

You didn't indicate what you think gittip is for, just that noirin's use of it is inappropriate. You also said she "deprecates her husband", when she lists 2 facts:

a) he was arrested b) he is suing her for things she said about it

Plus, he's her ex-husband, and this is a situation where the distinction is important.

So in context, I don't think what you said was mild, I think it's somewhat hostile and inaccurate.