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UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

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Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

#81

We should stop using the term "password" and start emphasizing pass phrases . A full sentence is much easier to remember, yet harder to crack, than a shorter, cryptic password. Or, as XKCD put it: http://xkcd.com/936/ There's a widespread misconception that words are always bad because of dictionary attacks, but that concern is moot if you use unique words or simply use a long sentence. A major advantage of sentences…

> but that concern is moot if you use unique words You could say the same thing about passwords using random characters. The problem isn't getting people to remember them, it's getting people to use random passwords/unique words in the first place. Telling people to "use a long sentence" will just result in them picking common sentences most of the time like "To be or not to be" or "Live long and prosper".

Well, let's say you have a 5-digit password made up of letters and numbers. That's 60466176 combinations.

Now let's say you have a 4-word passphrase. There are about 120,000 words in English. There may be more if you include derivatives of words. That includes 2.0736e+20 combinations, not considering the entropy introduced by spaces between words or punctuation marks.

That's just to demonstrate the power of passphrases...but it's not quite a fair comparison; no one has such an expansive vocabulary. So, finally, let's assume that a dictionary attack includes 20,000 of the most commonly used words, and all of the user's words are common, by this standard.

The result is still 1.6e+17 -- again, not including spaces or punctuation: significantly more than an alphanumeric password.

Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but that concern is moot if you use unique words You could say the same thing about passwords using random characters. The problem isn't getting people to remember them, it's getting people to use random passwords/unique words in the first place. Telling people to "use a long sentence" will just result in them picking common sentences most of the time like "To be or not to be" or "Live long and prosper".

Well, let's say you have a 5-digit password made up of letters and numbers. That's 60466176 combinations. Now let's say you have a 4-word passphrase. There are about 120,000 words in English. There may be more if you include derivatives of words. That includes 2.0736e+20 combinations, not considering the entropy introduced by spaces between words or punctuation marks. That's just to demonstrate the power of passphras…

It's pretty unfair to compare against a 5-digit password.

Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

#83

We should stop using the term "password" and start emphasizing pass phrases . A full sentence is much easier to remember, yet harder to crack, than a shorter, cryptic password. Or, as XKCD put it: http://xkcd.com/936/ There's a widespread misconception that words are always bad because of dictionary attacks, but that concern is moot if you use unique words or simply use a long sentence. A major advantage of sentences…

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Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

#84

We should stop using the term "password" and start emphasizing pass phrases . A full sentence is much easier to remember, yet harder to crack, than a shorter, cryptic password. Or, as XKCD put it: http://xkcd.com/936/ There's a widespread misconception that words are always bad because of dictionary attacks, but that concern is moot if you use unique words or simply use a long sentence. A major advantage of sentences…

No, we should come up with something that works better than either, and is more usable. Passwords suck. Does anyone here seriously think we'll still be using them 50 years from now?

Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

#86

We should stop using the term "password" and start emphasizing pass phrases . A full sentence is much easier to remember, yet harder to crack, than a shorter, cryptic password. Or, as XKCD put it: http://xkcd.com/936/ There's a widespread misconception that words are always bad because of dictionary attacks, but that concern is moot if you use unique words or simply use a long sentence. A major advantage of sentences…

I agree! I've been using passphrases for about 12 years, but in this form:

Ia! Ibupfa1y,bitf:

(It's the first letter of every word in that sentence.)

A sentance relevant to me that also refers to the site is easier for me to remember than random words. But perhaps I could make it longer... Use the kxcd idea too.

The entropy is huge unless/until everyone starts making 3 word passphrases the same way with very common words.

There can also be dictionary attacks on common passphrases, especially after a large site is compromised.

Lately I've been changing it up by offsetting my fingers on the keyboard.

Unfortunately each password/phrase input has different requirements and limits, and there's many different confusing help texts for explaining it. And it's frustrating to find out the limits after committing to memory and submitting.

What's a good, plainly written ux standard that we can advocate?

Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

#87

Hahahahaha. This is a total embarrassment and it is why we can't have nice things. There is always this for a decent alternative: https://howsecureismypassword.net/

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Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

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Yes this is terrible...but it isn't the "UK Government" its a private corporation as per: https://www.getsafeonline.org/about-us/ It also does work over https: https://www.getsafeonline.org/themes/passwrdcheck/index.html So I'm pretty sure this is just the fact they failed to setup the redirect. Rather than mocking them on Hacker News, we should just tell them they broke that part of their setup at some point and sho…

True, ish, they are very much involved. https://www.cyberstreetwise.com is the website UK government used to get people to send them their passwords.

So this may be a coincidence, but I just followed that link and got a warning from malwarebytes about a malicious website trying to connect to my computer.

I've tried a couple more times and not got it again. Anyone else see anything?

EDIT: The IP address reported by MalwareBytes is blocked, but I still don't know if it was just coincidence that the warning popped up a second or two after clicking that link. If anyone else experiences anything similar let me know.

Still it seems to me that this would be an awesome site to use as a watering hole for ensnaring naive web users, i.e. the kind who won't even notice when they are massively infected.

Re: UK government's password checker sends plaintext password in the URL over HTTP

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post #86

We should stop using the term "password" and start emphasizing pass phrases . A full sentence is much easier to remember, yet harder to crack, than a shorter, cryptic password. Or, as XKCD put it: http://xkcd.com/936/ There's a widespread misconception that words are always bad because of dictionary attacks, but that concern is moot if you use unique words or simply use a long sentence. A major advantage of sentences…

I agree! I've been using passphrases for about 12 years, but in this form: Ia! Ibupfa1y,bitf: (It's the first letter of every word in that sentence.) A sentance relevant to me that also refers to the site is easier for me to remember than random words. But perhaps I could make it longer... Use the kxcd idea too. The entropy is huge unless/until everyone starts making 3 word passphrases the same way with very common w…

Using a password manager
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