It is nice that he mentioned Light Table. I would not be surprised if Swift ends up really benefitting Clojure adoption indirectly. I think one of the big hangups for newcomers is that, if you don't have experience with a Lisp, it's often difficult to understand the benefits of interactive development. If a large amount of new programmers become exposed to it, they'll be more open to other options that provide similar or better interactivity.
Chris Lattner on Swift
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#12Site seems to be buckling under load. Google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
Here's a screenshot of the page http://i.imgur.com/C51LXnz.png
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#13It looks like Rust was a major influence. It has been interesting seeing all these posts claiming Swift borrowed from _their_ language. Obviously there is a lot of feature influence between languages but it was interesting to see the ones he called out explicitly.
It's a bit of a Rorschach test, sometimes. People see what's familiar to them.
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#14Great to see the credit to Bret Victor and Chris Granger's Light Table. Apple's resources can really help move forward these new ideas of what an IDE can be. If Swift is successful, a whole generation of young developers will use and improve on these ideas. Very exciting to see what happens.
I honestly expected Bret Victor to do the demo on Swift after seeing the realtime playground etc.
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#15It is nice that he mentioned Light Table. I would not be surprised if Swift ends up really benefitting Clojure adoption indirectly. I think one of the big hangups for newcomers is that, if you don't have experience with a Lisp, it's often difficult to understand the benefits of interactive development. If a large amount of new programmers become exposed to it, they'll be more open to other options that provide simila…
The only thing that makes me sad is that because of their focus on secrecy, they're doomed to relearn all that we learned along the way. Having played with the swift playground stuff, just an hour long conversation could've made a big difference.
Such is the way of Apple though.
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#16Great to see the credit to Bret Victor and Chris Granger's Light Table. Apple's resources can really help move forward these new ideas of what an IDE can be. If Swift is successful, a whole generation of young developers will use and improve on these ideas. Very exciting to see what happens.
I honestly expected Bret Victor to do the demo on Swift after seeing the realtime playground etc.
fwiw, he had no direct involvement in it. http://www.quora.com/Did-Bret-Victor-work-with-Apple-on-the-...
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#17It is nice that he mentioned Light Table. I would not be surprised if Swift ends up really benefitting Clojure adoption indirectly. I think one of the big hangups for newcomers is that, if you don't have experience with a Lisp, it's often difficult to understand the benefits of interactive development. If a large amount of new programmers become exposed to it, they'll be more open to other options that provide simila…
The only thing that makes me sad is that because of their focus on secrecy, they're doomed to relearn all that we learned along the way. Having played with the swift playground stuff, just an hour long conversation could've made a big difference. Such is the way of Apple though.
I would be very interested to hear what you think might have benefitted from the experiences of LightTable. Are they things you think could evolve convergently in the future, or are they mutually exclusive design choices?
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#18It is nice that he mentioned Light Table. I would not be surprised if Swift ends up really benefitting Clojure adoption indirectly. I think one of the big hangups for newcomers is that, if you don't have experience with a Lisp, it's often difficult to understand the benefits of interactive development. If a large amount of new programmers become exposed to it, they'll be more open to other options that provide simila…
The only thing that makes me sad is that because of their focus on secrecy, they're doomed to relearn all that we learned along the way. Having played with the swift playground stuff, just an hour long conversation could've made a big difference. Such is the way of Apple though.
That's also a good thing. They'll have learned more from making experimental mistakes than from having been told something.
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#19It is nice that he mentioned Light Table. I would not be surprised if Swift ends up really benefitting Clojure adoption indirectly. I think one of the big hangups for newcomers is that, if you don't have experience with a Lisp, it's often difficult to understand the benefits of interactive development. If a large amount of new programmers become exposed to it, they'll be more open to other options that provide simila…
The only thing that makes me sad is that because of their focus on secrecy, they're doomed to relearn all that we learned along the way. Having played with the swift playground stuff, just an hour long conversation could've made a big difference. Such is the way of Apple though.
Well, don't hesitate to give them feedback now. They're staying it's still quite in a fluid state and will change before release. Plus I'm sure they'd always be grateful for feedback, and if it improves the lot of millions of developers (they say now 9M registered Apple devs), you've done the world a great favor.
“There is no limit to what a man can do so long as he does not care a straw who gets the credit for it.” Charles Edward Montague
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#20Funny how he forgot to mention Golang somehow while that seems to be one of the bigger inspirations for the language.