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Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by dev1n »

fredsted wrote: post #208
dev1n wrote: post #64

If possible, could someone from the Apple community please tell me if Yosemite will be faster / lighter than snow leopard? I don't want an OS that requires 8 gigs of ram to run "fast" like Mavericks requires.

Seriously, what is slow about Mavericks? Your experience sounds psychosomatic: "this is newer, it's probably slower."

quite the opposite of psychosomatic actually. When SL came out every marketing feature was it was a lighter implementation of leopard. When the succeeding OS's were released, nothing about speed was mentioned and all of the new features seemed less useful.

It came down to: "This OS has no mention of speed, so it's probably slower." which turned out to be quite true out my five friends who have upgraded to Mavericks using 2010 equipment.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by eatfish »

sergiosgc wrote: post #284
demallien wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

My Thinkpad X1 Carbon draws something between 6W and 16W between idle and moderate use. I never measured it at full load. Perfectly acceptable, and way competitive with the equivalent Macbook Air, which draws 25W idle. So, I guess, per your definition, that Linux geeks can school Apple today.

Stop pulling numbers out your ass. The specs for the MBA are online and it draws 6.5W with the display on.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by IneffablePigeon »

voltagex_ wrote: post #150
bri3d wrote: post #94

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I'm especially shocked this has taken so long because the technology is ancient: Windows has had a "Use this computer as a Bluetooth Headset" option buried in the Bluetooth preferences for a long time now. The Address Book in Mac OS 10.0 and 10.1 would also let you send and receive SMSes with compatible phones (no joke): http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2002/11/27/sms.html And Linux has had a few projects (li…

>Windows has had a "Use this computer as a Bluetooth Headset" option buried in the Bluetooth preferences for a long time now. Depends which Bluetooth stack you have installed on Windows.

The fact a user might have to know which Bluetooth stack they have installed is quite telling as to why it never caught on.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by the_hangman »

danford wrote: post #191
demallien wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

> deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get Well Linux gets better battery life on my laptop than OS X. (11 hours with ubuntu gnome 14.04). > my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in Not mine. And this is a common problem: http://www.imore.com/os-x-mavericks-problems-drive-me-nuts-h... Also, I had issues with sound going out and not returning until after a reboot on OS X. This drov…

> Also, I had issues with sound going out and not returning until after a reboot on OS X. This drove me nuts.

This one bothers me endlessly. I got my first Macbook in '09 and have had two others since, and every single one of them has had this problem. I just don't get it.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by bluthru »

spupy wrote: post #248
bluthru wrote: post #116

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Personally, I love that the title bar is gone for a slimmer profile. OS X is already displaying the title in the menubar, and I've always found that top area to be dead space. This should be especially useful for Macbook Air users.

I've never used OS X, but isn't it confusing for the windows to not have titles? To find the window you need, don't you need to look at it's contents - something that sounds clunky to me? It's one of the things I hate most about the file manager in Windows 7.

You can alt-tab through windows:

http://www.mactip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/macosx_cmd_...

Or activate mission control:

http://www.iphones-apps.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen...

Mission Control overlays the icon and title.

In general the apps seem to be visually distinct and people aren't identifying them by titles anyway:

http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_h...

Let me know if I misread your question.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by amirmc »

lloeki wrote: post #217
amirmc wrote: post #171

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I remember that that I could do far more with my Sony Ericsson W800 (and Salling Clicker) than I could with my first iPhone. Dialing numbers from the address book, sending and receiving SMSs while the phone was in my bag/pocket, turning the screen saver on and pausing music if I left the area - and reverting on return. Apart from the UI polish, this was the least impressive part of keynote (at least for me) as those…

> Apart from the UI polish It sounds like you underestimate how hard it is to have "UI polish" implemented just right so that it feels seamless and natural instead of a hack (because honestly we do love to hack but ultimately prefer our prototypes to be implemented first-party, e.g I've been using JACK to stream audio in sync on various devices for years but AirPlay is so much more simple and natural)

I think you misread my comment. Apart from the UI polish, I wasn't impressed --> I was impressed with the UI polish but less so the rest.

I'm aware that implementing this well is a difficult problem and I have utmost respect for those who figure out how to make it feel seamless.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by Amezarak »

tim333 wrote: post #245
AaronFriel wrote: post #147

I am deeply disappointed by the "development" of OS X. It seems that Apple has long ago gutted their x86 OS group due to dwindling profits and lack of real competition. There are a handful of reasons people buy a Mac, and I would largely put them into three groups: * Students looking for a stable and/or sexy device for their university. * Artists using applications that don't exist on other platforms (or that priorit…

>Microsoft invested in platform features and then didn't sell users on what it could do with Vista. I think you are focusing on features that are unimportant to most users. People hated Vista because it was so slow, clunky and crashed. I remain amazed that between clicking a folder an seeing a file within it can take about a minute on my friends old Vista machine. I'm also pleasantly surprised on my MacBook that it p…

Did your friend buy a Vista machine with roughly equivalent hardware?

I dropped $1200 on a Vista laptop (Inspiron 1520) back in 2006/2007. It wasn't slow (Kubuntu on the same HW was faster though) and I don't recall it ever crashing. Sleep worked reliably although it was more on the order of 30 seconds with a spinning disk. I very much preferred it to XP at the time mainly for the the start menu improvements. I think a lot of the Vista issues - and to a larger extent, complaints about Windows - come down to subpar hardware. It's my suspicion that if you pay less than $1000 for a laptop it's probably not very good except on paper.

I am still using that laptop today - to write this post in fact. About a year ago I replaced the harddrive with an SSD. I can't speak about Vista performance since I installed 8 (now 8.1 Update 1 or whatever nonsense MS calls the latest Windows), but sleep is extremely fast; the instant I open the lid everything is usable.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by sergiosgc »

eatfish wrote: post #292
sergiosgc wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Thinkpad X1 Carbon draws something between 6W and 16W between idle and moderate use. I never measured it at full load. Perfectly acceptable, and way competitive with the equivalent Macbook Air, which draws 25W idle. So, I guess, per your definition, that Linux geeks can school Apple today.

Stop pulling numbers out your ass. The specs for the MBA are online and it draws 6.5W with the display on.

Numbers reported by powertop

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by wting »

coob wrote: post #223
wting wrote: post #205

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My 15" rMBP running Mavericks randomly reboots on occasion, and to this day still requires me to manually disable / enable WiFi almost every time I open the lid. Meanwhile Homebrew is a poor substitute for aptitude and PPAs, multi-monitor support is relatively poor (xmonad excels here), and the Apple keyboard is missing a bunch of keys I use on a regular basis.

There's a fix for the Wifi issue - trashing your bluetooth prefs. Solved it for me: http://www.imore.com/how-fix-mavericks-wi-fi-zapping-bluetoo...

Thanks! I've tried finding a solution multiple times but I guess my Google-fu wasn't up to the task.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by mannkind »

kyle_t wrote: post #273
wting wrote: post #205

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My 15" rMBP running Mavericks randomly reboots on occasion, and to this day still requires me to manually disable / enable WiFi almost every time I open the lid. Meanwhile Homebrew is a poor substitute for aptitude and PPAs, multi-monitor support is relatively poor (xmonad excels here), and the Apple keyboard is missing a bunch of keys I use on a regular basis.

This. People sing to the heavens of how stable OSX is and how it just works. I've had as many if not more issues than with my Windows 7 Samsung laptop. Wifi constantly needs manually disabling/enabling, Bluetooth Audio crashes are common, I average one full system crash per month, display settings reset themselves magically and Finder is infuriating. I should be keeping a log of all the issues I have. This is on a 20…

Ah, the mythical 2014 Macbook Pro...
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