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(Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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post #16

The reason I sometimes wish to quit HN: There are just to many Apple fanboys, and cliche opinions driven by insane fanboyism that just make me cringe sometimes.

There are Apple fanboys, there are Google fanboys, there are Microsoft fanboys, there are Linux fanboys, there are Haskell fanboys...etc etc.

Sometimes it can be annoying, especially when they band together to kill an otherwise interesting story (for example almost any story about Microsoft stopping support for XP was flagged to oblivion very quickly). However they also add to the community and on balance we are probably better off with them than without them.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#42
I think the points he made is really valid for any kind of forum type thing, and he should be using Quora to get the experience he wants. They have the downvoting abilities and blogging features, and he can definitely gain more distribution there. Whether he is back or not is never the point, the problems he said seems to be fairly good.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#43
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who quit for real usually don't start with a statement. I think making a big deal out of it is a way of telling oneself why one should quit. Contrast this with someone asking the question "Why did you quit?"and replying with why one did quit.

Considering that I quit for almost a year in much the same way I disagree. The best customers are the ones that leave and tell you why. I never learned anything as an entrepreneur from the people that just left. But I listened very well to those that left and told me why. Of course HN has no direct commercial incentive to retain Matt or me or anybody else, as long as we're contributing it's fine and when we're not th…

I definitely agree that the best customers are the ones that leave and tell you why. I also think most, if not all, of the "I quit HN and here's why" posts are from precisely the type of people that makes HN worth reading, and the complaints they have are generally real problems that HN would be better off if it could solve.

With that said, I think there's a difference between quitting HN and unsubscribing from say, a online service. When you unsubscribe from a service there's a clear demarcation. Quitting HN is usually a decision of the form "from now on I won't go to HN", a decision which is very easily reversed. Because it is so easy to reverse one's quitting, it doesn't carry as much weight.

On the other hand, let's say pg stays off HN for a year. Eventually people will ask why he quit HN. If he writes an essay about how he came to quit HN and why (past tense) as a response to that question, it's more likely that he has quit for real, as well as being true reasons for why he actually did quit.

Another example: This is my last cigarette, because smoking is bad for my health vs. I quit smoking 10 years ago when I had kids and realized I wanted to be there for them when they got older. It's true smoking is bad for your health, but that might not be the true reason people actually do quit.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#44
post #20

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Thanks for checking it out - what browser were you using?

Firefox 11.0 on Ubuntu 12. I finally found that by maneouvering carefully I could find somewhere outside the huge slab and click there. Not easy on my setup. And did I mention that it was annoying? Personally, I also found the interface too sparse, and rather unclear as to what it was showing me and why. I was not engaged, and after thinking about why for a few minutes, I have no idea. I just don't feel any level of…

Thank you for your feedback I will work on it!

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#45
Everything is relative ...

Over the years, HN slowly replaced proggit for me. The are subs on reddit I really like such as r/lisp or r/politics. And those two sections have much improved over the time, in my opinion at least.

But there are sections in reddit I find hard to accept up to the point that I feel ashamed visiting the site. And sometimes when I browse through some of the top level threads, I'm not sure if someone copy-pasted the discussion straight from youtube.

HN on the other hand has fostered a very civilized discussion culture, particularity in the last 2 years. Good job guys.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#46
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that I quit for almost a year in much the same way I disagree. The best customers are the ones that leave and tell you why. I never learned anything as an entrepreneur from the people that just left. But I listened very well to those that left and told me why. Of course HN has no direct commercial incentive to retain Matt or me or anybody else, as long as we're contributing it's fine and when we're not th…

I definitely agree that the best customers are the ones that leave and tell you why. I also think most, if not all, of the "I quit HN and here's why" posts are from precisely the type of people that makes HN worth reading, and the complaints they have are generally real problems that HN would be better off if it could solve. With that said, I think there's a difference between quitting HN and unsubscribing from say,…

Funny you should mention that. In a way PG has quit. He's passed the mantle to dang who is doing an exemplary job of moderating the forum now. Paul's last post is more than 2 months old. And he did write that essay:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7493856

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#47
post #9

This seems like a relevant venue to mention my startup http://www.sagebump.com/?view=technocrat&info which dampens HN flagging, re-ranks and merges the top submissions along with those from other tech sites. Thought it might be of interest to those fielding similar complaints. Please note: sageBump is not a replacement, it is a tool for HN

Thoughts: * Domains popping in when your mouse scrolls over something is annoying. Really annoying. My mouse is not my eyes - just because my eyes are on something does not mean my mouse is, and vice versa. And the popin ends up being movement, which is distracting. The same issue I have with the DDG redesign. * Said domains popping in do not have a fallback without JS. * Random icons (and in an icon font, none the l…

Hi, thank you for your time and your excellent feedback.

I agree with you on all points. I laughed when you said Ron Burgundy was condescending - I had not considered that. But again you are probably right.

The pop-over you mentioned at the end only appears if its hard coded into the link. I did this to the link as I believe new users will rather have more rather than less information on their first visit.

I will continue working on improving the site.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#48
TSA agents aren't bad, they're "just following orders." Okay not a quote from the article, but it seems to be his attitude. Actually his attitude is worse, that they are somehow the victims.

But despite the fact I haven't seen an article about TSA handlers in recent memory, I like people who are willing to blame the people responsible for doing bad things. So I guess I will like HN better without that dude.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#49
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely agree that the best customers are the ones that leave and tell you why. I also think most, if not all, of the "I quit HN and here's why" posts are from precisely the type of people that makes HN worth reading, and the complaints they have are generally real problems that HN would be better off if it could solve. With that said, I think there's a difference between quitting HN and unsubscribing from say,…

Funny you should mention that. In a way PG has quit. He's passed the mantle to dang who is doing an exemplary job of moderating the forum now. Paul's last post is more than 2 months old. And he did write that essay: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7493856

> I'll still be around as a user, but less frequently than when I felt I had to check the site every hour or so to make sure nothing had broken.

Splitting hairs here, but I consider that more of a "I'll no longer be the moderator of HN" type of quitting, which is not a very reversible decision. I was hinting at the fact that he might also quit as a user, considering his two month post hiatus. (Personally I'm hoping he's just taking a well-deserved vacation from HN, rather than leaving it completely).

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

#50
post #13

Matt's reasons: 1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are disproportionately represented. 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two. 3. The community is full of ideologues to the point where the comments are most often just predictable talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum. 4. The comm…

> 1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are disproportionately represented.

Allow downvotes for submissions.

> 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two.

Downvoter has to write a short explanation of the downvote. He's warned that admins can ban people who downvote just because they disagree.

> 5. It's a time suck.

Make the site faster, it's really slow.

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