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(Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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This seems like a relevant venue to mention my startup http://www.sagebump.com/?view=technocrat&info which dampens HN flagging, re-ranks and merges the top submissions along with those from other tech sites. Thought it might be of interest to those fielding similar complaints. Please note: sageBump is not a replacement, it is a tool for HN

Wow... everything is a startup nowadays

Sure seems that way

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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Matt's reasons: 1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are disproportionately represented. 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two. 3. The community is full of ideologues to the point where the comments are most often just predictable talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum. 4. The comm…

This tweet really expresses one fundamental problem of sites like this:

https://twitter.com/ziobrando/status/289635060758507521

"The bullshit asymmetry: the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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Only he's back. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834690 We all quit HN at some point in time and those who haven't will do it too. And then we find that there is nothing better. It's a bit like democracy.

Ah, Jacques - the greatest of the farewells, and the one I'm most glad returned.

That left me reasonably speechless. Thanks Jacob!

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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Only he's back. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834690 We all quit HN at some point in time and those who haven't will do it too. And then we find that there is nothing better. It's a bit like democracy.

The people who quit for real usually don't start with a statement. I think making a big deal out of it is a way of telling oneself why one should quit. Contrast this with someone asking the question "Why did you quit?"and replying with why one did quit.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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I agree with most of his points. I stopped reading Slashdot because I didn't like how the voting affected my interaction with the site, and I went cold turkey on Reddit and haven't been back (or even missed it) for maybe a year now. Maybe I should ditch my HN account too. Other than as an experiment in how to craft an inoffensive comment that will be accepted by the tiny subset of humanity who lurk here, it doesn't really have much benefit.

What a shame there's no "delete account" option. Should I do something unutterably awful to get pg's attention (accuse him of murdering kittens or raping puppies or writing software in Visual C++?) or shall I just do as the OP did and change my password to something unmemorable? If I change my email to a random mailinator account, that will make password recovery impossible too, I suspect.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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I agree with the "lack of downvotes" and "disagree downvotes" and am neutral or disagree with the rest.

This is an opportunity to say what bugs me about HN:

1. A very minor and subjective issue is that I dislike the culture. Not sure how to describe it, but compared to reddir or other sites I visit, it feels academic, humourless, scripted, robotic. The hillarious trolling that Yishan Wong does on Quora would feel completely out of place here.

2. But the #1 problem is the lack of development of the site. There are so many things that could improve the HN experience. Perhaps it's because it's written in some obscure dialect of Lisp. If so, they should rewrite it from scratch.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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    In an ideal community people would up-vote arguments 
    for adding value to the conversation and down-vote only
    for detracting. I’d much rather see something well-reasoned 
    and well-stated that I disagree with than just another 
    guy confirming my own opinion about something. That puts me 
    square in the minority on Hacker News and, to be fair, probably 
    just about any site with voting. 
Yet it seems that stating that you wish people would vote on merit puts you in the majority of people who comment on voting systems.

If fewer people said that they wanted voting to work this way, and instead actually voted this way... we'd all have the kind of site we wanted.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have anything changed since then?

I still get mad about this: 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two. I had a conversation thread go 7 levels deep talking about my point and I got 4 down votes!

We all have good days and bad days. On some days I write stuff that is marginal, on others downright nonsense. HN is an excellent critic and I take my lumps. It upset me in the beginning but over time I've come to appreciate the downvotes. On subjects where your view goes against the majority / accepted dogma be prepared to get yourself voted straight into the ground just because the supporters of the dogma outnumber those that are critical of it in some way. Remember HN is young, US centric and rich. If you take a position that is likely to offend young, wealthy Americans then you're likely going to find yourself in negative vote territory. Don't let that stop you from speaking your mind, don't attach too much value to the points.

I just read through your comment history for a bit, my very belated but heartfelt condolences.

Re: (Why) I quit Hacker News (2010)

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I've yet to quit or come back. I find it's much more relaxing just to hang out and bitch about things.

HN has a lot of problems, and I'm not one of those who thinks it's all just the same only more bitching. Flagging of stuff you don't like (as opposed to stuff that really should be flagged) is top of my list. Then there's the thing where people vote based on emotional appeal versus actual immediate value to folks. Or where true long-form content should never be able to make it to the front page of HN: if it takes more than 30 minutes or so to read, it's already passed through the new page, things get submitted as soon as they go live, and you can't do resubmissions. (Yet somehow, someway, some long-form content seems to do pretty well anyway) I'm also not a fan of turning the site into a YC PR device, but it's not my site and it's been that way for a long time. Just sometimes you see the "wires" behind the scenes and it's not pretty. I also am not crazy about having the same conversations about the same things over and over again -- one reason why I spend much less time here.

Did I mention I like complaining?

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