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Re: OS X Yosemite

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Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

My 15" rMBP running Mavericks randomly reboots on occasion, and to this day still requires me to manually disable / enable WiFi almost every time I open the lid. Meanwhile Homebrew is a poor substitute for aptitude and PPAs, multi-monitor support is relatively poor (xmonad excels here), and the Apple keyboard is missing a bunch of keys I use on a regular basis.

Same with mine and audio. coreaudiod just shits itself 5 times a day.

I'm now on Debian 7 with XFCE on an old Think Pad. Life is better here.

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Dell XPS Ultrabook with Kubuntu 14.04 here, without any patches or extra settings. 11W consumption with medium screen brightness, works for ~5 hours with normal browsing (occasional compiling) Recognizes all monitors and projectors (even the ones Macs fail at) at my work place. The WiFi just works (TM). You are not using a "Ubuntu laptop". As danford said, just pick a Ubuntu certified machine* and things will just wo…

Sorry, but 5 hours on an ultrabook is not competitive. Current Macbook Airs are rated for 12 hours with normal use, and third-party testing has found 10 to be realistic. demallien is right. Nobody on the Linux side has done this kind of aggressive power engineering for consumer-oriented x86 hardware. Google might, for Chromebooks, but it's not clear how portable that will be to the rest of the ecosystem.

I get 5 hours on a 5 year old ThinkPad with a 5 year old battery on Debian 7. I reckon it can be done.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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This is awesome, but can we talk about the very scary looking folder icons?

They remind me of KDEs oxygen theme. Outright scary.

I assume you mean the old, pre-4.7 design[1]? Interestingly, Oxygen itself ditched those for a less glossy design that had always reminded me of the (now old!) OSX icons. Not really sure what to make of that.

[1] http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/oxygen-icons.org/oxygen/2...

[2] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wemowf_4MrE/TjsIa4wrZeI/AAAAAAAAA1...

Re: OS X Yosemite

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The lack of AirDrop integration before is probably one of the obnoxious things Apple has done recently. I'm really excited for this simple new feature.

> one of the obnoxious things Apple has done recently AirDrop pre-iOS8 (iCloud Drive, Extensibility) would have been almost totally useless or at minimum required developers to waste time supporting a temporary solution.

AirDrop is a end-user feature above all else provided by the OS. It's not true that it would have required developers to support a temporary solution.

My understanding is that on OS X AirDrop was wi-fi only but on iOS it used a combination of wi-fi and Bluetooth.

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Dell XPS Ultrabook with Kubuntu 14.04 here, without any patches or extra settings. 11W consumption with medium screen brightness, works for ~5 hours with normal browsing (occasional compiling) Recognizes all monitors and projectors (even the ones Macs fail at) at my work place. The WiFi just works (TM). You are not using a "Ubuntu laptop". As danford said, just pick a Ubuntu certified machine* and things will just wo…

Sorry, but 5 hours on an ultrabook is not competitive. Current Macbook Airs are rated for 12 hours with normal use, and third-party testing has found 10 to be realistic. demallien is right. Nobody on the Linux side has done this kind of aggressive power engineering for consumer-oriented x86 hardware. Google might, for Chromebooks, but it's not clear how portable that will be to the rest of the ecosystem.

It just depends on the 'linux side of things' group your talking about. My T420s runs a full featured GNOME desktop on Arch at 5.5w idle, 7w browsing, 10w loaded. 136 watt hours total battery capacity with three batteries.

"Hours" is a really poor way to gauge these things, because while it may seem practically applicable , we're really comparing apples and oranges.

My T420 before my T420s had a battery run-time of 15 hours. I could fail to mention that it had a slice battery and an ultrabay on top of the primary battery and tell everyone that the particular model and OS ran for 15 hours straight, but that would be disingenuous. If I was a marketer I could run the processor at lower voltages, dim the screen unread-ably, turn WiFi off, etc etc until I got whatever numbers I wanted.

As i'm not a marketer, I also feel as if the claims people make about Apple's hardware being better at power management are also somewhat dishonest.

They are a company that has ultimate say in their hardware platform and software ecosystem. No other computer company locks down production that much in an effort to increase the individual experience of each consumer. That lock-down allows for an amount of control that would be unrealistic to expect from the FLOSS community, as they have little power or say in production and ultimately must code to support a wider range of people rather than a narrow set of known hardware packages that are available.

My point : optimizing narrowly for a single platform is much easier than the opposite; a more fair comparison of battery life would be watts-per-hour usage during a standardized testing/benchmarking suite of some sort, along with the watt hours of battery capacity(although historically handset manufacturers have sidestepped that issue by having the software recognize when it's being benchmarked..). "Hours of use" could be practical if it wasn't arbitrarily inflated or deflated by uncommon usage profile testing and specialty optimizations for the sake of marketing a bigger number.

It's not impossible to get good numbers out of a Linux build, it's just fairly difficult for someone unfamiliar with the system (and sometimes impossible without doing the work yourself with certain hardware stacks). There exists a whole subspecies of Linux users that are somewhat akin to hypermillers who turn this kind of dilemma into a game and compete for lowest wattage.

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Sending SMSs from Address Book was a phenomenal feature. A shame that they yanked it years ago. Good to see its return.

I remember that that I could do far more with my Sony Ericsson W800 (and Salling Clicker) than I could with my first iPhone. Dialing numbers from the address book, sending and receiving SMSs while the phone was in my bag/pocket, turning the screen saver on and pausing music if I left the area - and reverting on return. Apart from the UI polish, this was the least impressive part of keynote (at least for me) as those…

> Apart from the UI polish

It sounds like you underestimate how hard it is to have "UI polish" implemented just right so that it feels seamless and natural instead of a hack (because honestly we do love to hack but ultimately prefer our prototypes to be implemented first-party, e.g I've been using JACK to stream audio in sync on various devices for years but AirPlay is so much more simple and natural)

Re: OS X Yosemite

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The Handoff feature is interesting. I hope its not just some lame cloud sync that takes ages to sync because your 3G/wifi is spotty. For e.g. If I was writing an email in Mail.app I'd want to be able to shut my mac and resume writing on my iphone exactly where I left off. Same with Safari and other shared apps.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Agreed. It seems to miss a step, some additional stuff that they couldn't include now but would have made the design complete. For instance it would work if one could drag any area of a window that doesn't react to a click (like the white space between the bubbles in the chat window). Or additional gestures to easily rearrange/move the windows, something like three finger scroll make the window follow the fingers ins…

you mean like "Three finger drag" in the first tab of the Trackpad preferences? :)

Yes, exactly, but working on anything on the window, on not just the title/status bar.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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I am deeply disappointed by the "development" of OS X. It seems that Apple has long ago gutted their x86 OS group due to dwindling profits and lack of real competition. There are a handful of reasons people buy a Mac, and I would largely put them into three groups: * Students looking for a stable and/or sexy device for their university. * Artists using applications that don't exist on other platforms (or that priorit…

Snow Leopard was the last major kernel guts release, and it wasn't that long ago. OS X is a mature, client oriented OS. They add new API's, etc, and make lots of little improgements continuously, but what more is there to do? I haven't felt the urge to check out the release notes for a Linux kernel release in years. Wake me up when they get VM hooks to speed up GC or something. The new developments just aren't that r…

The filesystem is the worst of all modern platforms. It's in dire need of an upgrade, which doesn't appear to be coming.
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