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Re: HomeKit

#101

Post by sliverstorm »

natem345 wrote: post #92
aroch wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that doesn't matter. They continued to use XMPP so long because it was still profitable for them to, not because of some implied ethical stand on open software. Android is "open" because it is more profitable for Google to give it away and make the ad/Play/certification money than it is for them to personally get into the hardware market like Apple.

So if Google doesn't do the right things _for the right reasons_ (based solely on your judgement), they're just as bad as anyone else to you?

Companies must do things based on what is Right and what is Wrong, not based on money. What is so hard about that? ;)

Re: HomeKit

#102

Post by nikatwork »

eevilspock wrote: post #86
aroch wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that doesn't matter. They continued to use XMPP so long because it was still profitable for them to, not because of some implied ethical stand on open software. Android is "open" because it is more profitable for Google to give it away and make the ad/Play/certification money than it is for them to personally get into the hardware market like Apple.

How can the word "ethical" ever describe a company that gets all of its money from advertising, the business of deception and manipulation, and then deepens its pact with the Devil by trading all of our privacy for more profit and control, a company whose CEO says things like, "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."? https://news.ycombinator.com/…

You didn't make an actual point. You just spouted Slashdot-esque vitriol.

This is the exact same reason most anti-Goog comments are heavily downvoted. No cogent point, no interesting questions, just "lolz dae M$ and Goog is le devil" - often including a whiny edit accusing HN of being Google apologists.

FWIW I think Google is making a serious effort to deal with the huge conflict of interest created by their defacto monopoly position. However it would be impossible for Goog to escape all negative consequences, nor are they without flaws, so intelligent discourse is welcome.

Re: HomeKit

#103

Post by [deleted] »

gergles wrote: post #17

Here's hoping the "common protocol" they mentioned in the keynote is Z-Wave (strongly suggested base on Tim's use of the word "scenes" and the vendor list they put up) and not some Apple proprietary garbage. I'm still bitter about FaceTime being an 'open standard'.

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Re: HomeKit

#104

Post by eevilspock »

nikatwork wrote: post #102
eevilspock wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can the word "ethical" ever describe a company that gets all of its money from advertising, the business of deception and manipulation, and then deepens its pact with the Devil by trading all of our privacy for more profit and control, a company whose CEO says things like, "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."? https://news.ycombinator.com/…

You didn't make an actual point. You just spouted Slashdot-esque vitriol. This is the exact same reason most anti-Goog comments are heavily downvoted. No cogent point, no interesting questions, just "lolz dae M$ and Goog is le devil" - often including a whiny edit accusing HN of being Google apologists. FWIW I think Google is making a serious effort to deal with the huge conflict of interest created by their defacto…

"How can the word "ethical" ever describe a company that gets all of its money from advertising, the business of deception and manipulation" is not a legitimate point? Are you saying just because it's anti-Google it is vitriol? Did you even read the comments i linked to?

Re: HomeKit

#105

Post by camillomiller »

wting wrote: post #79
aroch wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or at Google...Hangouts, their AIO messaging framework, is not either

If you feel compelled to mention Google Hangouts, you should note that Google abandoned XMPP federation after 8 years (2005 - 2013) since other companies built walled gardens and leeched users instead. http://www.zdnet.com/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-me... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk

People that still believe in google's good will and use it as a measure for the industry are really too big an amount. That's embarrassing for a community with this level of knowledge and deep understanding of IT matters.

Re: HomeKit

#106

Post by krisgenre »

eevilspock wrote: post #86
aroch wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that doesn't matter. They continued to use XMPP so long because it was still profitable for them to, not because of some implied ethical stand on open software. Android is "open" because it is more profitable for Google to give it away and make the ad/Play/certification money than it is for them to personally get into the hardware market like Apple.

How can the word "ethical" ever describe a company that gets all of its money from advertising, the business of deception and manipulation, and then deepens its pact with the Devil by trading all of our privacy for more profit and control, a company whose CEO says things like, "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."? https://news.ycombinator.com/…

Eh! Don't all news corporations depend on advertising revenue? are all of them unethical?

Re: HomeKit

#107

Post by kbenson »

eevilspock wrote: post #104
nikatwork wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't make an actual point. You just spouted Slashdot-esque vitriol. This is the exact same reason most anti-Goog comments are heavily downvoted. No cogent point, no interesting questions, just "lolz dae M$ and Goog is le devil" - often including a whiny edit accusing HN of being Google apologists. FWIW I think Google is making a serious effort to deal with the huge conflict of interest created by their defacto…

"How can the word "ethical" ever describe a company that gets all of its money from advertising, the business of deception and manipulation" is not a legitimate point? Are you saying just because it's anti-Google it is vitriol? Did you even read the comments i linked to?

Your whole statement assumes advertising is "the business of deception and manipulation", and you've not proven that at all. Maybe you take it as a given, but I don't. Sure, advertising can be manipulative and deceptive, but it can also be instructive and helpful.

Re: HomeKit

#108

Post by krisgenre »

camillomiller wrote: post #105
wting wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you feel compelled to mention Google Hangouts, you should note that Google abandoned XMPP federation after 8 years (2005 - 2013) since other companies built walled gardens and leeched users instead. http://www.zdnet.com/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-me... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk

People that still believe in google's good will and use it as a measure for the industry are really too big an amount. That's embarrassing for a community with this level of knowledge and deep understanding of IT matters.

Whether you believe it or not, companies like Facebook, Google, Dropbox etc. have so much lose by deceiving the user than Apple or Microsoft and so much to gain from the good will of the user that they will weigh doing good more than bad to keep their business running.

Re: HomeKit

#109

Post by easytiger »

wting wrote: post #79
aroch wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or at Google...Hangouts, their AIO messaging framework, is not either

If you feel compelled to mention Google Hangouts, you should note that Google abandoned XMPP federation after 8 years (2005 - 2013) since other companies built walled gardens and leeched users instead. http://www.zdnet.com/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-me... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk

And yet i can still use emacs erc & bitlebe to talk to people over hangouts

Re: HomeKit

#110

Post by cromwellian »

aroch wrote: post #81
wting wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you feel compelled to mention Google Hangouts, you should note that Google abandoned XMPP federation after 8 years (2005 - 2013) since other companies built walled gardens and leeched users instead. http://www.zdnet.com/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-me... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk

Yeah, that doesn't matter. They continued to use XMPP so long because it was still profitable for them to, not because of some implied ethical stand on open software. Android is "open" because it is more profitable for Google to give it away and make the ad/Play/certification money than it is for them to personally get into the hardware market like Apple.

XMPP federation was never profitable for Google and never garnered many users.
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