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Re: HomeKit

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post #17

Here's hoping the "common protocol" they mentioned in the keynote is Z-Wave (strongly suggested base on Tim's use of the word "scenes" and the vendor list they put up) and not some Apple proprietary garbage. I'm still bitter about FaceTime being an 'open standard'.

Is Z-Wave the same thing as a Zigbee mesh network? I know that's what Philips Hue uses.

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#42
post #27

Does anyone have any shred of information about this at all? Since when do placeholder pages completely devoid of any details whatsoever make it to the top of HN?

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Re: HomeKit

#43
I hope this is not just handled through Bluetooth, but can be accessed via wireless as well. The idea of being able to leave air conditioning off in my house until I'm leaving the office, or to turn off all lights while outside of my home sounds incredible (or check to make sure that they're off). But if I have to be within my home to do everything, it'll turn this from a must-have for me to a nice-to-have very quickly.

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#44

I've been working on my own pile of HA scripts, hacks and controls - just for the fun of it. When I heard Google was buying nest and a security camera company and now Apple is jumping in - I'm glad I'll have my own. I don't care for either company to know exactly what is going on in my house. I do want my house to yell at me when the A/C is running and windows are open or the garage door is left open when I leave. Th…

Exactly. Considering how much data they have on your phones, through web activity, etc, adding in direct home access with video, audio, and pattern recognition I'd imagine ... I wouldn't feel comfortable jumping in considering who may or may not be looking at that data / data-feed.

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#45
HealthKit. HomeKit. I think we need to resolve the ethical and regulatory issues in our industry regarding government/marketing use of this data before it's prudent to use any product based on these technologies or similar ones.

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#47

The critical part here is not standards and not even the usability from a graphical UI perspective, but who is put in control by the technology. Home automation has always faced this difficult hurdle. In most families, the lightswitch, a thermostat, etc belong to everyone who wants to use it and who is near it. I like Siri being in control, but she will have to be like a Butler that can bridge conflicts if this is to…

I don't see (initially) any conflict here except for where the switch or manual control doesn't allow for state-independent operation (e.g.: manual slider for dimmer switch). In that case, I imagine upgrades being required in order to play nicely (e.g.: [1])

In the case where all controls for a resource allow state-independent operation, it's simply resolved with "last-in wins", and possibly more elaborate permissions models as automation adoption matures.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Lutron-MAW603RH-WH-Electronics-Maestro...

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#48
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every software developer in the world should read Christopher Alexander's A Pattern Language , and learn the relevance of the appearance of security versus actual security. A lock is only as strong as its context. Better lock? Did you upgrade the door frame as well?

> Did you upgrade the door frame as well? And the windows? I strongly second _A Pattern Language_. It's significantly augmented my sense of what in a living space works and what doesn't.

If you liked A Pattern Language, I also recommend How Buildings Learn, by Stewart Brand. I read both of those books during a few months of unemployment suffered in the old dotcom crash of 2001, and they completely changed my way of thinking about software. I recommend them to all programmers.

Re: HomeKit

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don't mean to spam, but can the opensource world just do something better? clearly apple is going to use some super apple only thing...and always will

I tried a while back, and it looks awfully similar to what apple is doing... I use it all the time, manages my lights, my server, my IR electronics, through the UI or on a schedule. Has macros, etc. doesn't have the fancy detection features although at the time those were just starting to be talked about. Wouldn't be a hard extension. https://github.com/dandroid88/webmote

There are better ones out there, but my main point is that is some recent grad can hack this out on some nights and weekends, why are we waiting for apple , and verizon, and att and comcast and google....

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This seems a lot like a response to Google's Nest acquisition. Google and Apple are rapidly moving in to an area with a lot of activity. There has been a recent surge of home automation startups and platforms like Revolv ( http://revolv.com/ ), SmartThings ( http://www.smartthings.com/ ), WigWag ( http://www.wigwag.com/ ). One of the problems they are addressing is how to marge multiple different home automation stan…

Far more likely to be a response to Nest than Nest's acquisition .

Seriously. This has to have been in the pipe for more than 6 months.
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