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The Open-office Trap

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Re: The Open-office Trap

#131

Not sure what the definition of open-office is. In our office, we have gazillion cubicles (the classic valley office). No sound proofing. And people of a team don't sit near each other. This means that you can end up with sales guys around who are constantly on the call and meetings. What's worse is that they keep pitching the same lines over and over again and you have to listen to it. It makes you empathize about a…

Now imagine that but with no cubicle walls!

Re: The Open-office Trap

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post #22

Old news. If work is boring, routine or extremely exhausting open spaces are great cause' you can talk to each other and lift each others spirits. If work is any type of creative, where you need to concentrate, it's better to have your own space.

It makes management feel better if they can constantly spy on the people they employ because they have zero trust in them.

And of course this immediately leads to the situation that the workers are out to exploit the company merely to rebel against this situation. Or at least, that's the attitude it brings out in me.

Re: The Open-office Trap

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post #14

What's funny is that I actually have no idea what a non-open office would look like. I've worked for 15 years and have never even walked in an office that wasn't open. How do you give each person an office without using like 5x the space as a cubicle farm? That's the real reason that companies like open offices - because they can jam a lot more people in the same space. Someone who is ok with a 6x6 cubicle would feel…

The fully loaded cost of IT people is $50-75/hr. I worked in office space in NYC a few years ago that was $80/sqft. 6x6 cube is $3k/year. Using your assumption that an office is 5x bigger (not sure if that's accurate or not), you're looking at around $15k/year for an office. So the delta is $12k/year, equivalent to 160-240 hours/year or 8-16% of a salary. IMO, with many developers you'll regain productivity far in ex…

What do you mean by taxes?

Re: The Open-office Trap

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post #21

Anyone here not ever work in an open-office since professional employment? I was going to say that I had never had an office, including my stints in food service and construction...and I had never even had a real cubicle, i.e. partitions where I couldn't see the person across from me. But that's not true...I had about a year in the "dungeon" when I was moved to my newspaper's online multimedia team, in a windowless b…

The company I work for occupies a chunk of spare rooms in a law office. I have my own 100 sqft. office, natural light, decent view. It is really convenient. I can have remote people come in and work with me for the day when necessary, there is plenty of room. Never having to listen to other people talk on the phone is beautiful. I can stretch my legs without it turning into a parade. Impossible for someone to surprise me or loom over me. I think my ideal office is Don Draper's in Mad Men Season 1, this is the closest I've come. Not looking forward to leaving this arrangement, especially since my earning power is effectively proportional to my ability to concentrate.

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Re: The Open-office Trap

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post #126

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> A private office for me would totally kill any social interaction I have with anyone. Perhaps a better working environment would allow your day to be spent more efficiently and leave you with spare time and energy to get an actual social life, instead of requiring your job to double as your social life and end up performing both functions badly?

You are likely to spend more than half of your time awake in your workplace. You might as well try to make it a pleasant place to be. And being sociable at work is hardly likely to exhaust you to the point of preventing an social life outside work.

Do workers prefer spending more than half of their awake time in their workplace in order to make more money, or do they simply not have enough bargaining power to negotiate for a shorter work day?

Re: The Open-office Trap

#136

Can we stop pretending open offices are about anything more than spending a minimum on an office construction? Let's face it: it's much cheaper to convert an empty warehouse space into a office space than to buy or build a traditional one.

They're also for management or sales to walk potential clients through while waving a hand through the air like a magician opening a curtain, before they take the client back to their nice, quiet corner offices. Also interior design showcases for hipster cred.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#137

At my last job I had a private office, my first. Now I work in the most open office I've had since leaving the Army - my office there was called "The Motor Pool" I didn't find it as distracting as I thought - but I am someone who can tune out everything when watching TV. I miss being able to break wind somewhat discreetly though.

>I miss being able to break wind somewhat discreetly though.

"What’s more, Evans and Johnson discovered that people in noisy environments made fewer ergonomic adjustments than they would in private, causing increased physical strain."

Re: The Open-office Trap

#139
post #26

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So go hang out in other people's offices to regain that experience. Back when I worked in offices I'd do that or have coworkers do that all the time.

The once mandatory "visitors chair" in every workspace and most people had two or three. Folks younger than a certain age miss out knowing the social etiquette relating to visitors chairs, such as stacking "stuff" or coats on your visitor chair is anti-social and very strongly frowned upon. Also it was socially acceptable, standard even, to simply walk into someone's cube and sit down in their (visitor) chair and wai…

That's how interaction works with my boss. He has a couple chairs and a small bench, and I'll often go in and sit quietly until he's ready to talk. It's a good system, and without it I don't think he would be able to get anything done.

Re: The Open-office Trap

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"I've personally had the opposite experience. I'm far more productive in a team environment. In video games my most product times are when an artist and/or designer and I sit together and work together." A few people working together on a single task is not an open office. In a "real" open office you couldn't actually talk to the artist and designer beyond a few sentences because if you did you would disturb the othe…

> if you did you would disturb the other 10-20 people within earshot. 10-20? There are about 80 here.

We have over 100 people on my floor but I like to think I'm only disturbing the nearest 10-20 :).
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