What's to complain about? It's like Microsoft finally kills VB6 and moved on to C#. Adapt or become obsolete.
The Swift Programming Language
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Re: The Swift Programming Language
#202I'm not even an iOS developer but this is by far the most exciting thing I heard in the keynote. As an amatuer/hobbyist programmer who's self-taught with Ruby, JavaScript, etc., the one thing that was keeping me from experimenting with iOS apps was Objective-C. I know I could tackle it, but it's been hard to take the plunge. I don't know much about Swift yet, but from what I've seen it looks very exciting. So if Appl…
I don't get the hate. Yeah, syntax is unfamiliar, bu once I got used to it I began to really enjoy objective-c. Ymmv etc., but it's now one of my fav languages - though I guess this is mostly due to cocoa
Re: The Swift Programming Language
#203So it looks like the language isn't open source and won't target non-Apple runtimes? I'm not trying to troll, I just think that it's a pity that Apple tends to limit the ecosystem and applications of its otherwise-great languages. Building against LLVM ought to make it fairly trivial to make this cross-platform.
Realistically all the Kits aren't (officially) portable anyway.
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#204Perhaps it was just for the benchmark, but it seemed ambitious that they're testing encryption algorithms with it already. Does anyone know if Swift, by design, could help avoid issues like they've had recently with Secure Transport?
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Swift doesn't seem to have anything to do with the parallel language at swift-lang.org. In any case, reference counting is disastrous for the parallelism story. GC thread coming along and causing an additional cache miss is way better than having to do atomic operations on reference counts all the time.
Swift doesn't seem to have anything to do with the parallel language at swift-lang.org. Whoops. Should've corrected that when I copied the comment over. In any case, reference counting is disastrous for the parallelism story. GC thread coming along and causing an additional cache miss is way better than having to do atomic operations on reference counts all the time. Why are atomic reference counts necessary? You wou…
Swift is based on the ObjC runtime, which means you have a shared heal and the possibility of multiple threads adjusting counts at the same time.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
I spent a lot of time trying to do stuff with ObjectiveC, but just hated the syntax. That's been the biggest thing keeping me from developing Mac OSX apps; I just prefer Ruby's simplicity. I'm going to seriously give Swift a try.
Yep, same here. It looks pretty JavaScript-y, which is familiar at least. I think this is a good move on Apple's part.
It's probably a wise decision to have an "Algol patterned" language. No non Algol patterned language has ever become a mainstream programming language to my knowledge.
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#207Slightly disappointed that I won't be able to try it out yet, because I'm not a Mac Developer. I can't get the XCode 6 beta without it, so I'd have to cough up $99 to try a new language... It seems to me like that might hurt its adoption.
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#209This will revolutionize programming education. Interestingly enough, the time manipulation in Swift was inspired by a game called Braid ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) ) released back in 2009. This will help young programmers solidify the connection between giving the computer logical commands and what is outputted on the screen immediately. Reminds me of how excited I was when Processing ( http://w…
This is not new though. See http://debug.elm-lang.org/
There was a time-travelling debugger for Java back in 2006:
http://www.lambdacs.com/debugger/debugger.html
But it never took off, for some reason. And it didn't have the arresting graphical aspect.
Re: The Swift Programming Language
#210I'm impressed that it looks like they're turning Bret Victor's demo into a reality with playground. Check out his demo if you haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUv66718DII Really, really interested and excited about learning Swift.
Which is also similar to Elm's time travel debugger: http://debug.elm-lang.org/
Direct link to Elm's demo similar to Bret's: http://debug.elm-lang.org/edit/Mario.elm (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUeLd7T7Xi4)