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The Open-office Trap

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Re: The Open-office Trap

#21
Anyone here not ever work in an open-office since professional employment? I was going to say that I had never had an office, including my stints in food service and construction...and I had never even had a real cubicle, i.e. partitions where I couldn't see the person across from me.

But that's not true...I had about a year in the "dungeon" when I was moved to my newspaper's online multimedia team, in a windowless basement...by then I already had the habit of surfing the Internet, but I did manage to learn enough PHP and MySQL to build a crime-mapping site and do other data projects, and even do things like get Drupal working (which ended up not being very useful, but still, my first web framework).

Re: The Open-office Trap

#22
Old news.

If work is boring, routine or extremely exhausting open spaces are great cause' you can talk to each other and lift each others spirits.

If work is any type of creative, where you need to concentrate, it's better to have your own space.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#24
Couldn't agree more. Open offices, while fancy looking, sport apalling usability. After moving into ours we had super issues with the team adapting to the noises and layout. Things got better only after most of the people started using headphones.

Separate office with a closed door = productivity boon.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#25
post #14

What's funny is that I actually have no idea what a non-open office would look like. I've worked for 15 years and have never even walked in an office that wasn't open. How do you give each person an office without using like 5x the space as a cubicle farm? That's the real reason that companies like open offices - because they can jam a lot more people in the same space. Someone who is ok with a 6x6 cubicle would feel…

A cubicle farm is not an open office. An open office is like a cubicle farm without the cubicles.

Re: The Open-office Trap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've personally had the opposite experience. I'm far more productive in a team environment. In video games my most product times are when an artist and/or designer and I sit together and work together. Even when we are not directly interacting with each other seeing stuff on each other's screens lets us see what each other is working on and communicate early and often. I understand that some people in certain roles w…

So go hang out in other people's offices to regain that experience. Back when I worked in offices I'd do that or have coworkers do that all the time.

The once mandatory "visitors chair" in every workspace and most people had two or three.

Folks younger than a certain age miss out knowing the social etiquette relating to visitors chairs, such as stacking "stuff" or coats on your visitor chair is anti-social and very strongly frowned upon. Also it was socially acceptable, standard even, to simply walk into someone's cube and sit down in their (visitor) chair and wait till they could talk, especially if you were (currently) working together on something.

Also "back in the old days" we had intentionally unreservable conference rooms scattered about. So if you needed 6 people on the spur of the moment you simply walked in to the nearest empty room, confident no one reserved it because it was un reservable.

This is pretty much how things were in the early 90s or so. Honestly I don't think I could handle the constant interruption and infinite distraction of an open office, which makes me think about a startup or something; I just can't imagine working in a "modern" office environment. It just sounds horrifying to productivity, like a prison yard or a doctor waiting room or something. Creeeepy.

As a parent when I need to get stuff done at home, like if I'm working at home, I kick everyone out of the room and work in peace and quiet. I never, ever, invite seven neighbor kids over and hand out toy whistles as a gift and nerf toys and then sit in the center of the maelstrom and try to concentrate. Nobody who "works at home" sneaks into a day care center with their laptop to concentrate on their finest work. There's a time and place for that kind of stuff, and its not the workplace.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#27
Like anything taken to the extreme open offices are bad for you. I personally have worked in an open office and a semi-open office (where your team is in a part enclosure/room with a door). And I much prefer to have a semi-open office rather than a private office.

A private office for me would totally kill any social interaction I have with anyone. A semi-open office keeps it private on the team level.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#28
Do we have to have one or the other? Can an office have private/personal work spaces, and communal open social places that can sometimes host real work? I feel often that managers/owners feel they have to force one or the other on their staff, not considering that their people are probably very diverse, and seek differing models from individual to individual.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#29

Like anything taken to the extreme open offices are bad for you. I personally have worked in an open office and a semi-open office (where your team is in a part enclosure/room with a door). And I much prefer to have a semi-open office rather than a private office. A private office for me would totally kill any social interaction I have with anyone. A semi-open office keeps it private on the team level.

What's your job? Do you have a greater need to concentrate or to socialize? Not criticising, just asking. I need to be able to go talk to people only sometimes but I need to go to a quiet place and think without interruption more often.

The best office I ever worked in was a series of long corridors with many closed offices and two developers to each. It had large meeting rooms at regular intervals, a lunchroom with table football and that was about it.

Re: The Open-office Trap

#30

Do we have to have one or the other? Can an office have private/personal work spaces, and communal open social places that can sometimes host real work? I feel often that managers/owners feel they have to force one or the other on their staff, not considering that their people are probably very diverse, and seek differing models from individual to individual.

Inevitably there's a limited amount of floor space; somebody ends up on the wrong side. I'd say, why not have closed offices space entirely, and let the socializers wander from room to room?
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