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Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by rossy »

iamben wrote: post #20
rossy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a paid version of the app or an in-app purchase, sure. Sadly, some devs only have an ad-supported version. Apps that waste my screen space and download quota with ads just aren't worth it. Either the ads go (with AdAway) or the app goes.

I'm not arguing that ads aren't annoying! It's just an incredibly entitled way of thinking. Perhaps ads are the only source of income for that particular developer. Why not just use something else / get on with it / write something yourself? Also - downvote if an answer is offensive or inappropriate, not because you disagree with an opposing point of view!

It's not an overly entitled way of thinking when it comes to a device I own that uses a data package I pay for. I don't actually run an ad blocker in my web browser, but on mobile, where screen size, battery life, and data usage constraints are very real, I can't stand them. If I couldn't remove the ads from an app I would definitely find something else.

As for the downvote, you're right, but it wasn't me. I don't have that ability yet.

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by donniezazen »

rossy wrote: post #19
iamben wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that the devs that put hard work and time into building your 'favorite apps' don't deserve to be compensated?

With a paid version of the app or an in-app purchase, sure. Sadly, some devs only have an ad-supported version. Apps that waste my screen space and download quota with ads just aren't worth it. Either the ads go (with AdAway) or the app goes.

Looks like you are under threat to use ad-supported apps. Guess what you can't exercise a choice and then blame people.

It takes a lot of efforts to become and Android developer and create content in general. You should respect that.

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by iamben »

rossy wrote: post #21
iamben wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing that ads aren't annoying! It's just an incredibly entitled way of thinking. Perhaps ads are the only source of income for that particular developer. Why not just use something else / get on with it / write something yourself? Also - downvote if an answer is offensive or inappropriate, not because you disagree with an opposing point of view!

It's not an overly entitled way of thinking when it comes to a device I own that uses a data package I pay for. I don't actually run an ad blocker in my web browser, but on mobile, where screen size, battery life, and data usage constraints are very real, I can't stand them. If I couldn't remove the ads from an app I would definitely find something else. As for the downvote, you're right, but it wasn't me. I don't ha…

I appreciate your concerns regarding the data package/battery etc., but if you look at it from the developer's point of view rather than your own, it IS entitled to think you have the right to strip out their income stream because it doesn't suit you. But hey, different strokes for different folks :-)

Downvote comment wasn't directed at you in particular!

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by gergles »

All of the "no big deal" comments are really startling to me. If you bought a desktop PC where you couldn't write anything to the hard drive outside of your one allowed directory without voiding the warranty, you'd take some serious issue with that. Is "but mobile!!!" an OK justification for taking away control over hardware that people own?

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by JelteF »

gergles wrote: post #24

All of the "no big deal" comments are really startling to me. If you bought a desktop PC where you couldn't write anything to the hard drive outside of your one allowed directory without voiding the warranty, you'd take some serious issue with that. Is "but mobile!!!" an OK justification for taking away control over hardware that people own?

No, security is. On any normal Linux pc only the root user has rw rights on the system partition.

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by daleharvey »

Goldenromeo wrote: post #14

Firefox OS might be a viable options for low end phones, and For high end phones Ubuntu OS might be worth it as well.

The nice thing about something that works well on low end phones, it works awesome on high end phones :)

Although its not necessarily something you get for free, since we havent optimised for higher end devices you can get to a point where you have too many active apps open and chew battery, there are probably other places it can improve, but it does perform nicely on higher end devices.

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by krbbltr »

gergles wrote: post #24

All of the "no big deal" comments are really startling to me. If you bought a desktop PC where you couldn't write anything to the hard drive outside of your one allowed directory without voiding the warranty, you'd take some serious issue with that. Is "but mobile!!!" an OK justification for taking away control over hardware that people own?

Mobile phones have always been more locked down than PCs, even before smartphones existed. As have other appliances such as microwave ovens, digital cameras, etc.

You can argue that smartphones shouldn't be treated as simple appliances any more, argue about the pros and cons of each approach... but the fact remains that this particular change in Android is fairly minute and doesn't affect the vast majority of users in any negative way, even the type of user that likes to tinker. In fact, it increases security.

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by gkoz »

shawnz wrote: post #7

This seems like a change for the better. Having the /system partition writable is a lot of unnecessary attack surface. > Rest in peace Titanium Backup, ROM Toolbox, Root Explorer, SD Maid, Lucky Patcher, etc. etc. I'm not sure what the author is trying to say here, because I don't think any of these apps write to /system.

Modifying files in /system is a big use case for Root Explorer.

Re: Android 4.5: End of Road?

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Post by king_jester »

rossy wrote: post #19
iamben wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that the devs that put hard work and time into building your 'favorite apps' don't deserve to be compensated?

With a paid version of the app or an in-app purchase, sure. Sadly, some devs only have an ad-supported version. Apps that waste my screen space and download quota with ads just aren't worth it. Either the ads go (with AdAway) or the app goes.

Is this really that common any more. Prior to the 3rd version of IAP, paid app schemes were less common, but nowadays I find most add supported apps have an unlocked version on Google Play or an IAP to remove ads.

Your best bet would be to contact the developer and try to see if they would offer such a thing. They may even be willing to make a one-off exception for you.

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