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It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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I challenge you all to make two changes today with regard to this. First, switch your phone to give you the weather in Celsius. It gets super simple fast: 0 and below - Freezing. Wear a warm jacket and closed toe shoes or boots. 1 - 10 - Cold. Wear an overcoat (a light one if you are used to colder weather) 10-15 - Early spring time. Long sleeves are probably in order, maybe even a sweater. 15-20 - Late spring. Wear…

It would make a lot more sense if we used a system where 0 was the coldest it normally got, and 100 was the highest it normally got. Way more integer data points, and a lot less use of negative numbers.

Kelvin starts at 0°.

There's a maximum temperature but it's really stupidly hot, where the particles are accelerated to nearly light speed because of thermal energy.

The temperature of the sun would be 0.00000000000000002° in your crazy system.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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I challenge you all to make two changes today with regard to this. First, switch your phone to give you the weather in Celsius. It gets super simple fast: 0 and below - Freezing. Wear a warm jacket and closed toe shoes or boots. 1 - 10 - Cold. Wear an overcoat (a light one if you are used to colder weather) 10-15 - Early spring time. Long sleeves are probably in order, maybe even a sweater. 15-20 - Late spring. Wear…

Northerners! Anything below 20 is Winter; put on a jumper.

Well, I had to adjust this. For me -5 and above is T-shirt weather...

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Cool. Let's get everyone over to the English langauge, too. Think of the productivity gains we're going to have in a generation or two!

English is not a superior language. The metric system is superior.

The benefits-- which would be far greater than the metric system (more difficult too)-- would come from having a universal language, regardless of what it was. And English is surely the best placed; being the world's second language, where not the first.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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It's funny how Celsius gets grouped in with the metric system, even though it really has no benefits over Fahrenheit. http://www.ericpinder.com/html/celsius.html

It has benefits, like it works perfectly with Metric, where Fahrenheit is based on arbitrary numbers that have nothing to do with anything else.

A 1x1x1 cm cube of water at 20°C weighs 1 gram and has a volume of 1mL.

Temperature, weight, and volume are interlinked this way.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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The strange thing about articles like this is that they seem to assume that converting between units is something that happens all the time, such that doing so is a huge drain on the economy and engineering time. I don't know if my experience is the common one - but with a few exceptions (inches/feet, oz/pounds) such conversions seem kind of rare. Instead, you pick an appropriately sized unit to begin with, and stick…

> (Such that lumber is sold in lengths of 243.82 cm rather than 8 feet.) It's interesting that you pick that example. In many cases, the "measurements" for lumber don't actually correspond to the true dimensions of the product purchased. For example, a "2x4" has dimensions of 1 1⁄2 inches x 3 1⁄2 inches[0], rather than 2 inches by 4 inches. So, at least for the example you give, it's not clear to me that converting t…

Oddly enough - Depending on the market, European plywood is sold as 125x250 cm sheets, but when you measure them they can be a bit larger.

When you measure them - they're exactly 4 x 8 feet as if they were for Americans.

It's also why you find a lot of 10mm 13mm and 19mm bolts that suspiciously also fit 7/16 1/2 3/4 inch sockets.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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US already has many "slightly dissimilar" paper sizes, this Letter, Legal, etc... so at least for A4, one more couldn't hurt right?

Currently you use letter unless you are required to use legal. When would someone use A4?

In both cases :)

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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It's funny how Celsius gets grouped in with the metric system, even though it really has no benefits over Fahrenheit. http://www.ericpinder.com/html/celsius.html

It has benefits, like it works perfectly with Metric, where Fahrenheit is based on arbitrary numbers that have nothing to do with anything else. A 1x1x1 cm cube of water at 20°C weighs 1 gram and has a volume of 1mL. Temperature, weight, and volume are interlinked this way.

What is that 20°C? Why is that a better number than 68°F?

I'm not arguing against metric in general, I'm arguing that the temperature part of it is just kind of thrown in there because they were both used in France.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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To be honest, the U.S. really should have switched during the late 19thor very early 20th century before the benefits of the industrial revolution gave us so much stuff that needs to be converted. Even if we converted tomorrow, we'd still be dragging around imperial measures for decades, maybe a century. I can't see cooking or property measurements making the transition within my grandchildren's lifetimes. In most co…

There is an interesting case of old unities remaining in use for centuries in Brazil: "arroba" This is wikipedia in portuguese for arroba through Google Translator (good enough to understand, just consider "arrogance" = Arroba): https://translate.google.com.br/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&p... Basically is a mass unit (in Brazil and Portugal), originated at the imperial system (with an arabic name ar-arub meaning "the…

If 1 Arroba was 25lbs, wouldn't a closer metricization be 10 kilos? This would be ~22lbs.

Was there some other history to make this significant of a change?

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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It would make a lot more sense if we used a system where 0 was the coldest it normally got, and 100 was the highest it normally got. Way more integer data points, and a lot less use of negative numbers.

Kelvin starts at 0°. There's a maximum temperature but it's really stupidly hot, where the particles are accelerated to nearly light speed because of thermal energy. The temperature of the sun would be 0.00000000000000002° in your crazy system.

I was joking, Fahrenheit is basically setting zero to the lowest temperature most people run into outside, and 100 to the highest temperature run into outside, in Europe.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Scotland (as part of Britain) is not metric as far as I know. The imperial measurement system was created by the British after all. The rest of the EU is metric, but not Britain.

I don't think you can blame the UK for the imperial system: that goes back as far as Rome at least.

I think you are correct, interesting history here: http://www.metric.org.uk/myths/imperial#imperial-was-invente...
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