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It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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The UK is supposedly metric most people still think and talk in imperial - most shops give both measurements. I think the EU gave up enforcing it. edit: sorry, by most people I mean people I know who grew up before metric was introduced.

Really does not paint a true picture. Living in the UK I use metric for everything except driving distances, driving speed and measures of beer (pints). And what measurements are still signed / represented in some way in imperial measurements in the UK? Road signs, speedometers and beer at a bar in a pub. Everything else is presented in metric and everybody I know uses metric for everything else.

Ah but your different opinion/use of measurement does highlight how gradual these kinds of change can be - similar to changes to word meanings over time. I didn't say everyone does.

Milk is still sold multiples of pints, with the litre value listed.

Laptop screens are measured in inches.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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I challenge you all to make two changes today with regard to this. First, switch your phone to give you the weather in Celsius. It gets super simple fast: 0 and below - Freezing. Wear a warm jacket and closed toe shoes or boots. 1 - 10 - Cold. Wear an overcoat (a light one if you are used to colder weather) 10-15 - Early spring time. Long sleeves are probably in order, maybe even a sweater. 15-20 - Late spring. Wear…

Northerners! Anything below 20 is Winter; put on a jumper.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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I challenge you all to make two changes today with regard to this. First, switch your phone to give you the weather in Celsius. It gets super simple fast: 0 and below - Freezing. Wear a warm jacket and closed toe shoes or boots. 1 - 10 - Cold. Wear an overcoat (a light one if you are used to colder weather) 10-15 - Early spring time. Long sleeves are probably in order, maybe even a sweater. 15-20 - Late spring. Wear…

> I am deliberately not giving conversions to Fahrenheit But I spent all that effort learning what temperature water boils at in Fahrenheit. Who the hell is going to remember what that temperature is in Celsius??

100°C , that should be simple enough :)

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Some thoughts on a conversion that I don't generally see brought up: * From an economic standpoint, the US is a big enough market that it is profitable to make things in weird US units, you have 350M people to sell to, most of whom are pretty well off by world standards. It makes sense to make a line catering to them. If businesses can start making a true or good economic argument it will happen more. * Tooling that…

US already has many "slightly dissimilar" paper sizes, this Letter, Legal, etc... so at least for A4, one more couldn't hurt right?

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we're young we're taught the imperial method since it's the customary system. Once we start getting into science classes it's all metric. Still, outside of science classes (and the military) we don't use it at all. Which means we don't have a good working model in our heads of what a kg feels like or how warm a 30 degC day is...that sort of thing. I think most Americans have a pretty good feel for what a liter i…

Amusingly, the areas where the most US Americans are familiar with SI are gun calibers and recreational drugs. [n] (OK, I may have a warped sense of humor, but it's true) n. (not taught in schools)

Car engines are in liters over there I think. On the other side, TVs are in inches all around the world.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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I challenge you all to make two changes today with regard to this. First, switch your phone to give you the weather in Celsius. It gets super simple fast: 0 and below - Freezing. Wear a warm jacket and closed toe shoes or boots. 1 - 10 - Cold. Wear an overcoat (a light one if you are used to colder weather) 10-15 - Early spring time. Long sleeves are probably in order, maybe even a sweater. 15-20 - Late spring. Wear…

Does most of this apply to newer things (cars, clocks)? My car has a clock but I have no method of changing anything but the hour/min. The speedometer is analog...I guess I could try to read the small print that displays in km...my alarm clock doesn't even have options for 24h.

With the cooking one (assuming you meant recipes from books); all the cookbooks I've seen have nothing in metric so I have to do another step of converting before I can measure properly.

The only problem I have with taking up your challenge is...why? I'd be the only one of the people I know and I would have to convert everything for them when I communicate.

If everything tomorrow and beyond was in metric, I am guessing a lot of people wouldn't replace their old items with the new one (displaying metric) they would just find a quick way to convert from their current way.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Some thoughts on a conversion that I don't generally see brought up: * From an economic standpoint, the US is a big enough market that it is profitable to make things in weird US units, you have 350M people to sell to, most of whom are pretty well off by world standards. It makes sense to make a line catering to them. If businesses can start making a true or good economic argument it will happen more. * Tooling that…

To be honest, the U.S. really should have switched during the late 19thor very early 20th century before the benefits of the industrial revolution gave us so much stuff that needs to be converted. Even if we converted tomorrow, we'd still be dragging around imperial measures for decades, maybe a century. I can't see cooking or property measurements making the transition within my grandchildren's lifetimes. In most co…

There is an interesting case of old unities remaining in use for centuries in Brazil: "arroba"

This is wikipedia in portuguese for arroba through Google Translator (good enough to understand, just consider "arrogance" = Arroba): https://translate.google.com.br/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&p...

Basically is a mass unit (in Brazil and Portugal), originated at the imperial system (with an arabic name ar-arub meaning "the fourth part") of 25 pounds. The times changed, but it is still used in our metricized society for livestock weight. But adapted to a rounded number in kilos, nowadays 1 Arroba = 1 kilogram.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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Some thoughts on a conversion that I don't generally see brought up: * From an economic standpoint, the US is a big enough market that it is profitable to make things in weird US units, you have 350M people to sell to, most of whom are pretty well off by world standards. It makes sense to make a line catering to them. If businesses can start making a true or good economic argument it will happen more. * Tooling that…

> I dislike having to own wrenches in both standard and metric units

I think you mean "I dislike having US customary and standard metric units".

When it comes down to it, everybody else in the world managed to buckle down and just switch to standard metric units and ISO/DIN paper sizes. There is nothing special about the US that makes it any more of an imposition for them to switch over. Many of the issues you've outlines are the same as ones that countries like the UK, Canada, and Ireland have had to deal with when switching over to metric everywhere, and we somehow managed it!

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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While you are at can you change the date format as well? DD/MM/YYYY instead of MM/DD/YYYY (US). It should go from small to big. The other way around makes my head hurts every time.

NO! ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD). Just like all other numbers, the "ones" place is on the right.

The week dates are even more awesome, really: I use them whenever I can.

Re: It's time for the US to use the metric system

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am deliberately not giving conversions to Fahrenheit But I spent all that effort learning what temperature water boils at in Fahrenheit. Who the hell is going to remember what that temperature is in Celsius??

100°C , that should be simple enough :)

I think you missed the joke there...
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