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For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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I found this article disturbing. Why are we forcing developmentally disabled people -- or anyone, for that matter -- to get jobs? Is there a dire shortage of low-skilled labor that I'm not aware of? "Whenever we talked about his employment prospects after the age of 21, we reminded Jamie that he did not want to live a life of watching YouTube, wrestling videos and Beatles Anthology DVDs in the basement." Would there…

I think the purpose of giving disabled people the opportunity to work has more to do with socialization and fulfillment than some sort of adherence to rules around being "productive members of society".

If you're happy sitting in your basement watching youtube, that's (maybe? probably not really?) okay, but a lot of people would get bored and restless doing that all day.

I mean, yeah, our society is in need of an overhaul in terms of how we value work (especially menial work), but you can't ignore the fact that most of us have something built-in that desires to do something. And right now society isn't structured in such a way that we can[1] provide a more valuable something for disabled people to do, so low-skilled labor will have to do for now.

[1] - I mean, we can, but it's probably not going to happen in a society where we have trouble getting people to even support basic welfare & healthcare for their fellow human beings.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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When I first saw Google Glass, my first thoughts weren't of how it could be used to improve my life, but how it could be used to improve the lives of those with behavioural problems and/or disabilities. While a lot of people think Glass will be largely underwhelming I sincerely hope that it becomes an essential tool for helping people feel more comfortable with integrating into society. If a tool like Glass can accom…

I'm a bit ashamed that a similar thought never occurred to me (that is, using something like glass for helping people with disabilities, instead of just recording first-person views of roller coaster rides). I can totally see the usefulness of an always-on helper that can provide helpful cues, to, say, autistic children who have trouble identifying social or emotional context in certain situations.

I can see value here. Personally, I find it extremely difficult to pick up on non-verbal cues. Often someone will make a statement or ask a question that's primarily meant as normal social conversation "Got any plans for Memorial Day?" And it will confuse me more than it should. (Why are they asking me this? What good will it do for them to know? Do I have any plans? I'm going to look over some things for work but I don't think I'm supposed to talk about that. Oh shit, I never sent in that report, I better do that when I get home. I wonder if I can do it now, if my laptop is still on I can just connect through Screens. I need to set up wake-on-lan this weekend. Did I let the dogs out? What were they saying? Why are they staring at me. Better make a run for it!)

I don't know if this sort of tech would help me or not, but it'd be worth a shot to be able to dial my social awkwardness down to a 10 and even better if it could help people with real disabilities.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #54

I found this article disturbing. Why are we forcing developmentally disabled people -- or anyone, for that matter -- to get jobs? Is there a dire shortage of low-skilled labor that I'm not aware of? "Whenever we talked about his employment prospects after the age of 21, we reminded Jamie that he did not want to live a life of watching YouTube, wrestling videos and Beatles Anthology DVDs in the basement." Would there…

Because it's important to feel like you're important. Not having a job, especially being turned down for jobs, can make you feel worthless and unnecessary. It's a terrible place to be.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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"Race"? In France it is forbidden to ask or record the religion or color of skin. Thus, it is forbidden to make statistics about it. Of course it is not the same about people with a handicap.

However it is customary to include a photo, date of birth, and marital status on your CV.

DoB and marital status are not part of modern CVs. They are irrelevant cruft. The employer is legally not allowed to take them into consideration so there is no point in including them on your CV.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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I enjoyed reading this article, strangely enough by Aljazeera. That did made me want to know how a child like this would grow up in the Middle East. I found this: http://media-dis-n-dat.blogspot.nl/2009/03/saudi-mother-trie...

I have to say that recently I have found quite a few really excellent articles in Aljazeera. Still fewer than I find in the New York Times, but more than I find from the vast majority of mainstream US news sources.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Why is it strange coming from Al Jazeera? Would you think it strange if it came from the BBC or Der Spiegel? Despite what many in the US believe, Al Jazerra isn't the mouthpiece of terrorists or Qatar's propaganda machine, they're mostly just a very good news source.

Yeah, they're actually too good. Americans (in general) don't want real news, they want to be entertained. Al Jazeera America is a fantastic product, but unfortunately not a product in sufficient demand. When you combine that fact with the racism because of the name, its future doesn't look too bright. :(

I also find Al Jazeera pretty good. It's definitely good that we have multiple sources of information. As far as Al Jazeera'a future is concerned, I wouldn't worry that it's not so popular in US, I think its future doesn't depend on that, they are well funded by the House of Thani, see the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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I enjoyed reading this article, strangely enough by Aljazeera. That did made me want to know how a child like this would grow up in the Middle East. I found this: http://media-dis-n-dat.blogspot.nl/2009/03/saudi-mother-trie...

Why is it strange coming from Al Jazeera? Would you think it strange if it came from the BBC or Der Spiegel? Despite what many in the US believe, Al Jazerra isn't the mouthpiece of terrorists or Qatar's propaganda machine, they're mostly just a very good news source.

Yes, good news for sure. They're eager to show another view from inside countries. Often a troublesome view. (A view the mainstream media often neglect). It does make me wonder: Would they be allowed to show the same view of Quatar, their owner?

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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I'm sitting in my mom's attic as I type this. I pretty much sit here all day. And yes, I'm happy. Thanks for asking. If Jamie is happier working a job, then fine. But was he born wanting to get a job? How much came from him and how much came from his parents placing unrealistic expectations on him? Do you honestly believe that low-skilled workers are being kept from doing more mentally demanding work because they can…

We're born wanting to suck on a nipple and afraid of falling and loud noises. More or less everything else is learned. And getting a job as, say, a grocery stacker doesn't seem exactly like an "unrealistic expectation" even for a kid with Downs. Your strawman argument is irrelevant. Even assuming that the supply of jobs is fixed, which it isn't (lump of labor and all that), here are the choices: a) overqualified pers…

You forgot c) where a person with down's is helped to find meaningful work that they enjoy, and they are not prevented from doing that work by discrimination or stigma and people put in place reasonable adjustments and other people put in place support. This means the person contributes, and their relatives are freed up to contribute. What about the other guy? Fuck that other guy, they can look after themselves.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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They track it to look for unequal hiring practices. Which is an actual and ongoing problem and one the US Federal government is involved with and interested in fighting.

I'd be interested how they classify someone who is mixed between black and white. How about the people who have mixed blood for 3-4 generations and who do not fall in any category anymore ? The race classification in a country where people move around the whole time should really be depreciated.

Mixed-race person here; It is self-identified.

This is actually kinda confusing because the various forms never provide any guidance on how to determine what race you are for the purpose of the form. I have a Black[1] grandfather but look either Italian, Hispanic, or Sephardic Jewish. This led to me incorrectly identifying what race I was and mostly being annoyed by the question[2]. For example, when I applied to MIT I agonized over what to put and just decided to check both "white" and "African-American" and call it a day. When graduation was coming up, I got an email about a kente stole ceremony and...felt awkward. Aside from doing this one small not-valuable program with the Office of Minority Education, I didn't really participate in black life at MIT at all. This was also around the time when people were having a bunch of discussions about Treyvon Martin and white privilege and I realized that the things people were talking about the experience of growing up as a black man in America did not match mine at all. Basically, it wasn't until senior year that I realized that I was probably white and had white privilege.

I had some trouble accepting this, as identifying as white felt a bit like a betrayal of my mother and grandfather. So, I started reading a bunch of books like How to be Black, The Souls of Black Folk, and How the Irish became White[3]. I learned some pretty interesting things[4] and accepted that in almost[5] all contexts I am white. if someone (like a friend of mine from Canarsie) says I'm Black, thats fine. But on any sort of form, white is what I put down.

[1] Chromatically about the same as Morgan Freeman. He married a Swede and my mom married an Irish/Polish/German/Dutch/Englishman. [2] It is plausible that a mixed-race person could put "half-elf" on their census form out of annoyance before learning that doing so is a federal crime... [3] My strongest actual ethnic identity is Irish. I play the Bodhrán, have been known to jig and sing folk songs, have marched in a clan rally in Co. Longford. [4] Did you know that 7 out of Homer Plessey's 8 grandparents were white and his legal team had to specifically arrange for him to be arrested and charged with violating the Louisiana railroad segregation statute in order to start the legal challenge that unfortunately led to the "Separate but Equal" ruling? [5] Exception: watching 12 Years a Slave with my mother.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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And if you make sure you don't track it, you don't know whether you have a problem or not.

It seems like most countries live perfectly fine without tracking people's races.

Don't most countries have problems with ethnosectarian tensions or oppression or violence?
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