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For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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I have a strong sense that online work - on CrowdFlower, Mechanical Turk, or Elance - could be the path forward for someone like Jaime. Please do note: I work for CrowdFlower. The beauty of online work is its promise of operating as a meritocracy. Access to the labor market is not about who you know, or how you appear, but about your ability to perform. Everything about Jaime, from his diligence to his incredible cat…

Online work solves the problem of not having something to do, but in some sense, going on YouTube also solves that problem. In my opinion, the value of work for someone like Jaime mostly revolves around the perception of independence (I can take the bus by myself) and the social interactions (having co-workers), and online work doesn't fulfill these as well. That Jamie has something to do and that there is useful eco…

Why not get him an office? Either at the workplace for mentally disabled, or somewhere else. He might also be able to combine Mechanical Turk with physical work at the same place...

Researching what someone with Down syndrome did 50 or 100 years ago might also be useful. Quite a few manual labour jobs have disappeared through automation. Looking at those jobs disappearing might also inspire.

Looking at places where hand made/artsianal products or services command a premium might also help.

Or why not set up a small business tailor made to him and the things he can do? Balancing between his autonomy as a person and maximising his economic output will always be a challenge, but I could see it being worth the effort. Mostly, it could offer him a long term perspective, while at a third party he would always be in a more vulnerable position.

This scenario of "his own business" is not without a precedent. I don't have any online references, but I remember a colleague telling me about a local business like that, a woodworking shop. It was owned by a very small trust set up by the parents. The person with the mental disability loved anything to do with wood. He was hired, together with a trusted and skilled local worker a generation younger than the parents. This man slowly built a significant partial ownership stake that tied him to the business. The firm was well known and respected in and around the village where it worked.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They track it to look for unequal hiring practices. Which is an actual and ongoing problem and one the US Federal government is involved with and interested in fighting.

I'd be interested how they classify someone who is mixed between black and white. How about the people who have mixed blood for 3-4 generations and who do not fall in any category anymore ? The race classification in a country where people move around the whole time should really be depreciated.

It's not "their" classification, you pick the race you self-identify as.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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In Germany another young man with Down syndrome is currently much talked and written about. It is about eleven year old Henri who took part in a model experiment to attended regular school classes. Now that some of his classmates are about to go to high school, his parents try to get him also into high school. Their reasoning is that it would be cruel and against the idea of the original experiment to separate him fr…

I'm currently working as a tutor in a center for gifted (high intelligence) children. Along with this intelligence, in many cases comes some mental difficulties. As an instructor in this environment, it is actually very difficult to deal with some children who are unable to interpret what I am saying to them. Not only does the child get frustrated when I don't understand what they're trying to tell me, but I get frustrated sometimes when I can't handle the situation, and the other students pick up on my frustration. The net result is that everyone loses out.

These students are commonly known as special needs students, and I think this very accurately represents them. Some of the children require just a few minutes extra attention, others require regular confirmation, and others require practically no extra care other than being aware of some issue. I have never personally had to deal with a student with Down's Syndrome, however I know of some family friends with children who have Down's Syndrome. If you have seen and talked to these parents, in very many cases these parents have to dedicate their lives to caring for these children. The same is true for many cases in students; If I as a teacher have two students that require constant attention (for whatever reason) that means the rest of the students don't get the attention they deserve, and the two students I am dealing with don't get the help they deserve either.

I don't know what the best solution is here, but I can't see having a large number of (excuse the wording, I can't think of a better word) difficult students such as those with aspergers/autism, Down's Syndrome etc. being a good one.

The only point I can make on it is that in most cases, the transition to high school involves classes being split, and separation from friends. If students such as Henri can be sent to the same school as their friends, but possibly separated from others (which is what happens currently; students with severe mental difficulties are sent to separate schools) they can receive the individual attention and care that they deserve, but still be in the same environment as their friends and companions.

I tried to be very careful with my wording here, and I apologise if I insulted anyone, it was not my intention.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #18

Not downs, but we had a guy with a pretty bad speech impediment interview with us a while back. He had a well controlled stutter which resulted in pauses of 10s+. The guy was awesome (better than the average across our team) and had wonderful written communication skills. That's all we need as we email each other all day (we're a very disparate team). Unfortunately my asshat boss decided that he wasn't suitable for t…

God damn, I would've been so furious at that. I'm young and have been known to make irrational decisions at times and don't have many responsibilities, and I don't know I could've stopped myself quitting (though I'm not having a go at you for staying!). That's such a big red flag to me :(

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #44
post #18

Not downs, but we had a guy with a pretty bad speech impediment interview with us a while back. He had a well controlled stutter which resulted in pauses of 10s+. The guy was awesome (better than the average across our team) and had wonderful written communication skills. That's all we need as we email each other all day (we're a very disparate team). Unfortunately my asshat boss decided that he wasn't suitable for t…

God damn, I would've been so furious at that. I'm young and have been known to make irrational decisions at times and don't have many responsibilities, and I don't know I could've stopped myself quitting (though I'm not having a go at you for staying!). That's such a big red flag to me :(

It is to me too.

There are ways to make everyone a winner than the asshat though.

Karma was served here. The individual in question got a referral from me to another position, got a call and a job with a golden handshake and I got a £500 referral fee from the agent, which was spent on a nice new oscilloscope (an essential part of my exit strategy).

He won because he got a job at a better company and cash.

I won because I got a rep with the agent, £500 in cash and two steps closer to the door.

Asshat lost because we still haven't found someone for his position and they're two steps closer to finding a replacement for me as well :)

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #38
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Race"? In France it is forbidden to ask or record the religion or color of skin. Thus, it is forbidden to make statistics about it. Of course it is not the same about people with a handicap.

By the way, in Germany, they don't track your race, but they ask you for your religion when you move there. And it's actually a trap ! If you answer that you have any, suddenly you'll see a religion tax (deducted from your salary every month) going to your religion of choice. In Germany is literally "pays" to be agnostic.

Country hack - start a new religion called "Agnosticism" and get massive income from forced government personal levies?!?

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #37
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To help get to the point where it truly doesn't matter.

As long as you track it, you make it matter. That's the point. The observer always has an impact on what is measured. That's a very well know principle.

And if you make sure you don't track it, you don't know whether you have a problem or not.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #31
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Race"? In France it is forbidden to ask or record the religion or color of skin. Thus, it is forbidden to make statistics about it. Of course it is not the same about people with a handicap.

Weird, in the UK I recall seeing (non-obligatory) questionnaires about ethnicity, so that they can make sure they are an "equal opportunity employer".

Yeah, those are for statistical use only.

The employer can't discriminate in either direction based on that information (which is why it gets a special section of the application for that can get torn out).

But they do need to record the charecatristics of people who are applying, and people who are getting hired, so they can spot rascist managers, etc.

Re: For Hire: Dedicated Young Man With Down Syndrome

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post #6

I remember when I worked in an auto-industry factory (as part of my training) in Japan, we wore caps with colored bands that denoted rank/category. New employees were dark blue. Equipment/facility maintenance people wore yellow bands. "Management" inside the factory, as well as the white-collar employees had light blue. Outside guests wore red. Amidst this, workers with disabilities wore caps with green bands. Many w…

> This kind of categorization perhaps wouldn't fly in the States I see this as a bit of a paradox in the States. There is always some discussion about how everyone should be treated as equal, yet your "race" (whatever that means in the age of genetics!) is recorded by the government, and minorities are tracked by employers even though this is absolutely not related with their skills. If i think too much about it, I'd…

It's not a paradox. We have a lot of discussion in the U.S. about how everyone should be treated equally as a response to our historical and continuing failure to treat people equally. We keep track of race as a way to monitor our progress on that front.

When you start tracking, you might be surprised by how little your organization is doing to treat people equally: http://www.google.com/diversity/at-google.html#tab=tech.

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