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So women make up 18% of new CS degrees and Google's staffed at 17%. Blacks and hispanics make up under 5% of CS degrees and at Google they make up 3%. Close the ticket, it's an upstream problem.
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Thank you for typing that all out. I agree completely. As a visible minority in tech, I'm simply more attracted to companies where I feel l won't stick out like a sore thumb. Of course I want to hired for my qualifications, but I'm only applying to companies that can meet _my_ requirements as well.
I don't get this logic. How does it matter if you are a sore thumb if you are not being discriminated? As someone who is also from a visible minority group, it never bothers me unless of course people change their behavior towards me because of the colour of my skin, which I have luckily never experienced. Please don't feel that I am being condescending; I have come across this statement many times before and I can't…
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Firstly, I'd appreciate it if you could tone down the personal insults and inflammatory language. Discrimination is inflammatory enough on its own. Thanks. What does white-guilt mean, exactly? I believe that economic gains made by whites at the expense of other races because of past racist policies reinforced by a historical power imbalance should not be reinforced. I believe it is appropriate for active steps to be…
> What does white-guilt mean, exactly? Many White people are socially conditioned from a young age to reflexively feel guilt and disgust toward the success of White people. > I believe that economic gains made by whites at the expense of other races because of past racist policies reinforced by a historical power imbalance should not be reinforced. If you want to try to accurately and fairly "unwind" historical sins…
I don't think non-Jewish whites are discriminated against in hiring, but if promotion into management is a problem, then yes, management should reflect the population too.
I'd point out that it would appear there is less of a problem with discrimination against non-Jewish white men than against black females (for example), though.
I think prioritising is reasonable.
(I'd also note that in all those cases except Sheryl Sandberg they were founders, so hiring discrimination was a non-factor. I realise this wasn't your point though).
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> What does white-guilt mean, exactly? Many White people are socially conditioned from a young age to reflexively feel guilt and disgust toward the success of White people. > I believe that economic gains made by whites at the expense of other races because of past racist policies reinforced by a historical power imbalance should not be reinforced. If you want to try to accurately and fairly "unwind" historical sins…
do you think we should push to recruit more non-Jewish Whites in tech? I don't think non-Jewish whites are discriminated against in hiring , but if promotion into management is a problem, then yes, management should reflect the population too. I'd point out that it would appear there is less of a problem with discrimination against non-Jewish white men than against black females (for example), though. I think priorit…
If non-Jewish White people are underrepresented among successful tech founders, does that not represent an upstream issue?
Everyone talks Black (27 mentions) and White (82 mentions).... meanwhile Hispanic and Asian ethic groups race higher and higher in total number. [1] In raw numbers, Hispanics are growing far faster than any ethnic group in the US. Companies in this game for the long haul had better recognize that Hispanics will be the dominant ethnic group in relatively short order.[2]
But who are the Hispanics? Better figure it out. It matters now and will increasingly matter much more going forward.
[1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population... [2]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fast-growth-latino-...
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do you think we should push to recruit more non-Jewish Whites in tech? I don't think non-Jewish whites are discriminated against in hiring , but if promotion into management is a problem, then yes, management should reflect the population too. I'd point out that it would appear there is less of a problem with discrimination against non-Jewish white men than against black females (for example), though. I think priorit…
You're focusing on hiring discrimination, but the article's focusing on spending money to increase "upstream" tech interest in under-represented groups. That's because hiring discrimination isn't really the issue; upstream interest (and thus upstream qualification) is. If non-Jewish White people are underrepresented among successful tech founders, does that not represent an upstream issue?
If that is the case, then yes.
But I suspect that even if you remove the white Jewish cohort from the white group then whites (and especially white males) would still be overrepresented amongst founders.
I don't see the overrepresentation of a minority group as a problem at all. Like you said: Good on them.
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> Between the lines they are indeed hinting towards "soft quotas". No, they're not. They're talking about increasing the number of qualified candidates in the recruiting pipeline. I've said it before in this thread and I'll repeat it here: Google wants to hire _as many qualified candidates as possible_. We've got a huge pile of money but not enough people!
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As a Google employee, the reasons I hear is that we'd like the diversity of our workforce to more accurately reflect the diversity of our users, so we can serve them better.
As a Google employee, the reason I'd like to improve the diversity of my work place is so I can work with more than just a bunch of white dudes. I mean, white dudes are great and all, but I really value diversity of opinion and experience in my life.