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Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by dredmorbius »

dkrich wrote: post #81

The problem is that he's assuming the primary goal of the site's UI is to make reading the content as enjoyable and efficient an experience as possible. Sadly, that's rarely the case. A site like Forbes gets paid every time you click through to another article. Once you've landed on an article and you're reading it, your value to them has been expended. Thus they have almost a diametrically-opposed interest to yours-…

One of the many insidious ways in which advertising (and the business practices resulting from it) is overtly harmful.

Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by hnha »

barrkel wrote: post #39
Aardwolf wrote: post #23

Am I the only one who prefers to read websites in "desktop" mode? I always feel totally alienated by the mobile page, there is information left out, annoying badly-implemented JS scrollers, etc... The "desktop" site looks always more nice and familiar, and you can zoom and scroll around as you wish to read everything.

No, you're not alone. I almost always choose desktop mode where available, primarily because mobile sites disable zoom and choose settings for margins and font sizes that make their text almost unreadably large - frequently only two or three words per line, with masses of whitespace all around. Reading such articles feels claustrophobic, because you're stuck in this long tunnel of text, with little visual indicator o…

opera classic has fantastic wrapping

Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by rockdoe »

barrkel wrote: post #39
Aardwolf wrote: post #23

Am I the only one who prefers to read websites in "desktop" mode? I always feel totally alienated by the mobile page, there is information left out, annoying badly-implemented JS scrollers, etc... The "desktop" site looks always more nice and familiar, and you can zoom and scroll around as you wish to read everything.

No, you're not alone. I almost always choose desktop mode where available, primarily because mobile sites disable zoom and choose settings for margins and font sizes that make their text almost unreadably large - frequently only two or three words per line, with masses of whitespace all around. Reading such articles feels claustrophobic, because you're stuck in this long tunnel of text, with little visual indicator o…

The feature is still in Firefox for Android. "Text Reflow" in settings.

Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by coldnebo »

Dear website users,

We feel your pain. It may not seem like it since we develop ever more complicated UI schemes to overcome the W3C's frankenstandards (seriously, who comes up with a coordinate system based on a 'nominal arms length away' from the screen and then creates another set of units for mobile. I know there's a lot of smart people who contribute great data standards from the W3C, but when it came to presentation standards they either 1) completely forgot their linear algebra or 2) didn't bother to look at Postcript's coordinate system or both).

Some of us are reinventing the browser as it should have been written (with polyfills and shims), but this will take a while to get right. (For those that remember, Alan Kay originally said there should be no browser, just a code container, we are once again getting close to something he said decades before).

We understand that the W3C has set the expectation that everything bad on the web happens because of us devs not following their "standards" (even when alt changes to title changes to picture caption in as many years), but at some point it might be worth asking them "why are your presentation standards so inconsistent and hard to follow?"

Sincerely,

A webdev who is tired of cajoling CSS and JS to reinvent the same god-damned three column layout that should have worked in the 90's (oh wait, you didn't realize that Postscript predates the web? Yes, yes it did. So the W3C could have sought presentation layer experts of its time in drafting presentation standards, but didn't).

Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by err4nt »

fdsary wrote: post #85

After being into this field for quite a while now, I feel like there are no better web design than no web design. Plain html works great on any device, is very readable, accessible and lightweight . There's nothing to lose in having 0 loc css.

I wouldn't say 0 loc CSS is nothing to lose, I've been using Markdown to format some really basic notes, and here's my stylesheet for styling markdown documents: http://staticresource.com/styledown.css

It's still a work-in-progress, but it's great for documenting my code as I work on websites. Here's a demo page with some tests of the markdown output I generated on the command-line using pandoc: http://staticresource.com/misc/demo.html I'm grabbing web fonts from Google. It's responsive and reads well on desktop, tablet, and phone. The styles still work offline (with no web fonts)

There isn't a whole ton of CSS there (I work with files 500 loc CSS up to 5k or 7k a a time. I whipped this up in one morning because I was tired of my IDE's markdown live preview, so now I have folders on my server that are watched, and any time I save a markdown file it automatically regenerates the HTML in the same folder.

Anyway, you can't say there's NOTHING to lose having 0 loc CSS. Here's what that same markdown demo that looks like with no CSS: http://staticresource.com/misc/demohtml.html

Think they are equivalent?

Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by derobert »

rockdoe wrote: post #113
barrkel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're not alone. I almost always choose desktop mode where available, primarily because mobile sites disable zoom and choose settings for margins and font sizes that make their text almost unreadably large - frequently only two or three words per line, with masses of whitespace all around. Reading such articles feels claustrophobic, because you're stuck in this long tunnel of text, with little visual indicator o…

The feature is still in Firefox for Android. "Text Reflow" in settings.

It's not there any more. See Bug 900564[1]. Basically, they removed the pref from beta and release builds last fall because they don't believe it works nearly well enough.

[1]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900564

Re: The Scroll Up Bar

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Post by theg2 »

barrkel wrote: post #39
Aardwolf wrote: post #23

Am I the only one who prefers to read websites in "desktop" mode? I always feel totally alienated by the mobile page, there is information left out, annoying badly-implemented JS scrollers, etc... The "desktop" site looks always more nice and familiar, and you can zoom and scroll around as you wish to read everything.

No, you're not alone. I almost always choose desktop mode where available, primarily because mobile sites disable zoom and choose settings for margins and font sizes that make their text almost unreadably large - frequently only two or three words per line, with masses of whitespace all around. Reading such articles feels claustrophobic, because you're stuck in this long tunnel of text, with little visual indicator o…

I'm a fan of how my Windows Phone does it in 8.1 It gives me the option between mobile or desktop identification to sites, but then also gives me the option to use a Readability like function and constrict the content down so I don't have to side scroll. Seems to be the best of both worlds.
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