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OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by sgeisenh »

general_failure wrote: post #97

MBP 15 inch (mid 2012) gets ultra hot. I have never seen a laptop become this hot. It also has various problems getting back from sleep and low battery. So very annoying. Sadly, I am sort of forced to use it everyday.

I have a late 2013 15 inch MBP that regularly reaches 100 degrees C when running Adobe Flash. The only other time the machine has exceeded 70 is when I tried running Steam games at 2880x1800.

The hardware simply shouldn't get that hot, no matter how poorly optimized the software might be.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by brendangregg »

dsl wrote: post #106
brendangregg wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there's more to the story about the T&Cs, which I didn't get into because I was trying to write about panics... So I did try to create an Apple ID, which required I agree to "Apple Terms of Service", which links to http://www.apple.com/legal/ . Ok, WHERE are the "Apple Terms of Service" on that page? Perhaps I'm being an idiot, but I don't see anything with that title. I browsed around for a while before giving…

Under the heading "Internet Services"

Ok, but which one? All of them? ... The tickbox says I'm agreeing to the "Apple Terms of Service" ... which means?

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by gtaylor »

guywithabike wrote: post #103
radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

In my experience, people who've had exorbitant numbers of kernel panics on Macs have had tons of things installed that muck around with MacOS X internals. VirtualBox, old SIMBL hacks, manual fan controls, etc. Those are all notoriously unstable and can cause lots of kernel panics.

It seems more like a buggy OS that doesn't handle certain combinations of external monitors and GPUs.

Let's call it like it is: 10.9 needs some fixing. Plugging in an external monitor shouldn't be a big thing. I shouldn't have to tread on egg shells as far as what I do with such an expensive piece of equipment.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by hollerith »

guywithabike wrote: post #103
radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

In my experience, people who've had exorbitant numbers of kernel panics on Macs have had tons of things installed that muck around with MacOS X internals. VirtualBox, old SIMBL hacks, manual fan controls, etc. Those are all notoriously unstable and can cause lots of kernel panics.

>VirtualBox . . . notoriously unstable

Is there virtualization software that is not unstable on OS X?

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by demallien »

dman wrote: post #39

Experience a lot of crashes on my Macbook pro retina which is the latest model. Screen gets artifacts everytime the gpu swtiches from nvidia to iris pro or back. Coupled with the crashes that I now see on my Ipad air, I cant help get the feeling that things are starting to bitrot at Apple.

Apple have always had flaky products when it's something new. The first PPC macs, the first Intel Macs, OS X 1.0, and so on. Those of us that have been in the apple universe for a long time remember "don't use rev 1 of a product" was a mantra amongst Apple users since way back.

So, problems with the iPad Air are not particularly surprising. The shift to a 64 bit OS is a difficult thing to get perfect on a first go.

That said, they really should have nailed the discrete GPU kernel panics on rMBPs by now. That's been going in fir a couple of revs of the hardware and is unusual.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

I have a mac mini at home and work primarily for development and neither of them have ever crashed. Anecdotes are fun.

I used to have a problem (twice) of extreme slowness in networking, but a reboot fixed the problem.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by Pacabel »

Goopplesoft wrote: post #29
vemy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Windows PC never crashed like my Macbook does.

This is all anecdotal. Mac user for years and never had a crash. These types of comment provide very little to these threads.

It isn't just "anecdotal" when you happen to be the one who has to use a computer that crashes in such a way, regardless of who makes it, or what OS it's running.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by plorkyeran »

hollerith wrote: post #115
guywithabike wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, people who've had exorbitant numbers of kernel panics on Macs have had tons of things installed that muck around with MacOS X internals. VirtualBox, old SIMBL hacks, manual fan controls, etc. Those are all notoriously unstable and can cause lots of kernel panics.

>VirtualBox . . . notoriously unstable Is there virtualization software that is not unstable on OS X?

I've only had one kernel panic clearly linked to Parallels, but I still haven't made it to a month of uptime after over two years of using OS X, so it's quite possible that's it's causing non-obvious problems even with no VMs running.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by brendangregg »

zokier wrote: post #22

One kernel panic bug, and the system is "toxic" and "disease"? I'm not saying that this issue is acceptable, but I don't think those adjectives are really appropriate in describing it.

This was 16 kernel panics, and was affecting myself and three coworkers who had upgraded to 10.9.3.

EDIT: ok, may be 16 panics of the same bug.

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