OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic • Hacker News Board

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by lvillani » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:05 PM UTC

I've had only one kernel panic so far on my late 2013 rMBP 13. At least that's what I found in /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports, and I've been through the 10.9.3 betas as well.

On the other hand I experienced random WiFi problems upon wakeup, had to do a couple of hard-reboots, suffered the rainbow static problem and other miscellaneous problems with external displays. Lately I've been experiencing some weird issues with the sound system: I hear music in my headphones but some notification sounds are sent to the speakers.

As a first-time Mac user (after a decade with Linux) I must say this is quite a frustrating and "meh" experience.

Love the screen and the battery life though.

Glad to hear I'm not alone, my colleagues rolls eyes when I rant about the problems I'm having.

Side Note: It seems to me that the most problematic models are Retina MacBook Pros.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by ambler0 » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:06 PM UTC

Notably absent from the article, but spelled out in the comments, is that the author doesn't have an AppleID because he doesn't want to agree to Apple's terms, and therefore cannot acquire a kernel debug kit.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by wlesieutre » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:06 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #31

Goopplesoft wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all anecdotal. Mac user for years and never had a crash. These types of comment provide very little to these threads.

Its data. The existence of crashes is evidence of something.

It may be data, but it is not a statistically significant amount of data. And there's an awful lot of selection bias in product complaints.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by mundanevoice » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:06 PM UTC

I have the OS X 10.9.3 on a Macbook Pro , Mid 2009 and there is absolutely no problem with it. Is it on newer macs?

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by x0x0 » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:07 PM UTC

radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

another mac user with the same problem. I've had 7 macbooks pros on various oses since 10.5 and osx is the first OS I ever just came to trust to run updates.

But now, 10.9.x is a piece of shit. It hardlocks all the time (2-3 times a week), seemingly around external displays. I'm really feeling burned at this point. These 6-7 locks in the past 3 weeks since I got a new laptop are probably 50% of my macos crashes since 2007. It's really really disappointing, and is making me question why the hell I pay this much money for a laptop. Apple needs to pull their thumb out of their ass and fix their fucking os.

This [1] seems to have helped a little bit, but seriously, fuck apple. I'm hunting for a way to downgrade my laptop to 10.8

Edit: to be clear, the really appalling bit here is how frequently these locks occur. This isn't a subtle bug; it's a symptom of apple being asshole cowboys. Given the frequency of these crashes, I believe it's impossible they used their laptop with an external monitor at all or their devs would have hit these too.

[1] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5538012?start=0&tstart=...

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by Codhisattva » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:07 PM UTC

zokier wrote: post #22

One kernel panic bug, and the system is "toxic" and "disease"? I'm not saying that this issue is acceptable, but I don't think those adjectives are really appropriate in describing it.

What's the Internet for if not hyperbole and over generalization?

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by DominikR » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:08 PM UTC

ShaneOG wrote: post #35

DominikR wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the kind of advice that I constantly see in the Apple community boards for all kinds of issues. Why is such a solution even acceptable? I had no issues before 10.9.3, but if I have to go through a clean install just to fix the issues, there's no way that Apple is going to keep me as their customer.

To be fair, "reinstall Windows" is oft-quoted as the best solution to a lot of Windows problems too.

That's true, but I paid ~3000 Euros for my Macbook (thats 4000 Dollars) and that's exactly why this isn't acceptable to me.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by tammer » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:09 PM UTC

My 2008 Mac Pro has been rock stable since 10.9.2 (before that, just the 'mail, are you drunk?' issues).

Sounds a lot like the problem is graphics switching - everyone with issues here has two graphics adapters.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by koios » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:09 PM UTC

zokier wrote: post #22

One kernel panic bug, and the system is "toxic" and "disease"? I'm not saying that this issue is acceptable, but I don't think those adjectives are really appropriate in describing it.

I suppose since most MAC stuff is described as "beautiful" and "stunning", which is also a somewhat extreme description for an email client or a file manager, then we have to have extreme negatives to match?

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by xdissent » Fri, May 23, 2014, 9:10 PM UTC

bkurtz13 wrote: post #12

In an attempt to balance the discussion, I'm on 10.9.3 and I've had absolutely zero issues so far.

I've had no problems either. Early 2007 iMac, 2011 MBA, and 2012 mac mini all with 10.9.x (currently 10.9.3). I regularly switch out external displays on the iMac and MBA without issue. My coworker with an MBP (2012?) has had one kernel panic that I know about this week, however.