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Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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Interesting. At our family lake house, we've been putting beverages in a net with a rope and dropping it to the bottom off the dock. They always come up cold :)

Haha I imagine this works really well in most places. If I tried this in Florida I think I'd pull up a pile of green sludge with my beer.

As long as it doesn't eat through the can, I don't see a problem ;).

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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Given that I don't choose a bigger fridge specifically to store beer in, and I tend to have, say, 4-8 bottles of beer in the fridge at any one time, and I wouldn't store anything else in the fridge to replace it, and a fridge becomes less efficient the emptier it gets ... is this really a good idea?

It's big, so you can resupply it every now and then with 20+ beer cans. Basically, it has much bigger buffer than your fridge.

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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Haha I imagine this works really well in most places. If I tried this in Florida I think I'd pull up a pile of green sludge with my beer.

As long as it doesn't eat through the can, I don't see a problem ;).

Because your beverage touches the outside of the can on the way to your mouth?

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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Given that I don't choose a bigger fridge specifically to store beer in, and I tend to have, say, 4-8 bottles of beer in the fridge at any one time, and I wouldn't store anything else in the fridge to replace it, and a fridge becomes less efficient the emptier it gets ... is this really a good idea?

P.S. I'm not saying it's not cool, just that I don't particularly see an eco-benefit.

Emptying the fridge may make it less efficient, but it will still use less total energy to cool the smaller amount of stuff inside. The beer cooler will effectively be pumping heat several feet into the earth's crust, but it won't be generating any new heat.

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Haha I imagine this works really well in most places. If I tried this in Florida I think I'd pull up a pile of green sludge with my beer.

Use your pool instead of the canals?

Mmmm. 80 degree beer :) Florida pools get very warm.

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

#56

I guess this is awesome if you really like drinking 55-60F beer. Otherwise, this is luddite technology designed to appeal to ecotards.

Exactly. The ground is usually 58F. I remember reading about this in a thermal home book. (If you effectively bury 3/4 of your house, you only ever have to warm it to 70F from 58F.) It's actually somewhat funny. Did they think there were ice cubes under the grass when the designed this?

The ground is not usually 58F. It depends entirely upon where you live AND how deep you go.

Where I live, in Houston, TX the readily-accessible ground temperature is in the high 60s or low 70s.

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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Use your pool instead of the canals?

Mmmm. 80 degree beer :) Florida pools get very warm.

I got it: build a soda dispenser like in the OP, except make it fill with rainwater, and insulate it. Assuming the rainwater is cooler than the ambient air it should keep the cans cool without requiring power. As a side thing you could attach either solar or wind-power to a peltier to cool the thing even more.

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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Exactly. The ground is usually 58F. I remember reading about this in a thermal home book. (If you effectively bury 3/4 of your house, you only ever have to warm it to 70F from 58F.) It's actually somewhat funny. Did they think there were ice cubes under the grass when the designed this?

AFAIK, the ground temperature will be the average air temperature over the year. It's certainly not 58F everywhere, because in Siberia there's permafrost, and in Denmark might likely be less than 58F, too.

Based on quick search, the average air temperature in Denmark is 8-9°C(46-48F)[1]. I suspect that you don't find that cold ground temperatures though. I found some local statistics about ground temperature[2], which shows that even around here the invention would barely work in the warmest months. And I'm living nearly thousand miles northwards from Denmark, from the same source the average air temperature here is -2°C.

I'm just giving this as more nordic perspective, seeing that most HNers probably are from US/warmer climate.

[1] http://www.dmi.dk/en/klima/klimaet-frem-til-i-dag/danmark/te...

[2] http://i.imgur.com/LrUEPP7.png ground temperature at various depths

Re: An earth-cooled beer dispenser

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15 feet sounds pretty deep to dig to install something like this. Any idea what the temperature is like 2-4 feet?

That's going to vary a lot more by location, and 2-4 feet puts you at much higher risk for your beers freezing (although if you fully load this with beer, you'll have some beers at 2-4 feet anyway). Where I live, for instance, beers will probably freeze 2 feet below ground in winter. But my well is down below 15 feet and is always liquid.

I don't think this is supposed to be used at winter, and during summers I don't think most people need to worry about beers freezing.
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