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Don't mess with Newegg

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Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it more expensive to run a case in East Texas with some junior lawyer than anywhere else?

Because you will lose, regardless of whether you hired a junior lawyer or the most expensive law firm in the world.

I don't think it is as simple as that as people do win in East Texas [0]. I found it interesting that the latest troll shopping location is Delaware.

[0] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/east-texas-courts...

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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It seems to me that the legal system in the US is largely broken, and that just about anyone can be sued if only you find the right grounds. Being sued and defending yourself is enormously expensive which is what patent trolls exploit. Why not use this offensively against patent trolls? Find all sorts of ways to take them to court, the American legal seems to have plenty of opportunities in that regard. There are som…

And the troll companies are always shell companies with nothing but the patents. So, even if you win, the shell company will declare bankruptcy. This is what changed the game. Before, two big companies generally had enough patents that they would simply agree to cross license because they both infringed one another's patents. So, for the company being sued, it's a no win situation.

If troll files bankruptcy, can't the winner claim their assets, i.e., junk patents as payment? Isn't this even better because troll now loses the weapon itself to cause more damage?

Lot of tech companies are sitting on mountain of cash. There is absolutely no reason for them not to go after trolls with 1000% vengeance and eik out every possible cent from them even it cost 10X more to them. I'm dumb founded that no one other than Newegg had this attitude even though these companies keep playing victims.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

#93
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But you've also taken away (at least some of) their tools to troll people with.

So has the precedent of the court case you just won.

Typically troll maintains pool of patents. If they file bankruptcy, its an opportunity to shave them off clean and flush out their pool. Even if they had just one patent, it is still worth pursuing this because it puts strain on their legal resources to continue trolling. This is advantage to large company who practically have far more legal resources to spend then individual trolls.

The bottom line is that if all tech companies pubically takes oath like Newegg that they would never let patent troll walk away like that I suspect trolling would continue at the current level if at all.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

#94
In respect to SW patents isn't the recently renewed US legislation more a problem than a solution. As I understood it, it is no longer who wrote a piece of code that exemplified an idea first, but who first filed for the patent for it?

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

#95
post #14

It seems to me that the legal system in the US is largely broken, and that just about anyone can be sued if only you find the right grounds. Being sued and defending yourself is enormously expensive which is what patent trolls exploit. Why not use this offensively against patent trolls? Find all sorts of ways to take them to court, the American legal seems to have plenty of opportunities in that regard. There are som…

Well from people outside of US, it is not only the legal system. It seems to me US itself is largely broken.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

#96
The big companies probably don't worry too much about the "trolls", and the current legislation reflects that. They have the legal and financial resources to defend themselves. The Trolls make life hazardous for smaller companies who might go bankrupt because of them. For big companies it's probably just good that smaller disrupting innovators get out of business sooner rather than later.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

#97
post #90

Newegg are cheapskates. The publicity from doing this pays far more than the money they'd save by settling with patent trolls.

The fact that they're being rewarded for their actions doesn't mean that those actions aren't laudable (especially when that reward consists of their being lauded).

The HN community collectively hasn't ever been able to grasp this concept; apparently if a corporation has any possible benefit from an action, it MUST be the motivation behind the action. It's a particularly delightful cop-out because any positive action (including philanthropy) can be dismissed as a PR move.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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post #92
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the troll companies are always shell companies with nothing but the patents. So, even if you win, the shell company will declare bankruptcy. This is what changed the game. Before, two big companies generally had enough patents that they would simply agree to cross license because they both infringed one another's patents. So, for the company being sued, it's a no win situation.

If troll files bankruptcy, can't the winner claim their assets, i.e., junk patents as payment? Isn't this even better because troll now loses the weapon itself to cause more damage? Lot of tech companies are sitting on mountain of cash. There is absolutely no reason for them not to go after trolls with 1000% vengeance and eik out every possible cent from them even it cost 10X more to them. I'm dumb founded that no on…

Often the the shell companies don't actually own the patents, they just license them from the parent company. This way when the shell company loses and goes bankrupt the licenses is automatically revoked and there is nothing left to claim.

Patent trolls might be evil, but unfortunately most of them aren't stupid.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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post #92
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the troll companies are always shell companies with nothing but the patents. So, even if you win, the shell company will declare bankruptcy. This is what changed the game. Before, two big companies generally had enough patents that they would simply agree to cross license because they both infringed one another's patents. So, for the company being sued, it's a no win situation.

If troll files bankruptcy, can't the winner claim their assets, i.e., junk patents as payment? Isn't this even better because troll now loses the weapon itself to cause more damage? Lot of tech companies are sitting on mountain of cash. There is absolutely no reason for them not to go after trolls with 1000% vengeance and eik out every possible cent from them even it cost 10X more to them. I'm dumb founded that no on…

Its so trivial to set up a shell company that we can assume the trolls are running one per patent. If a shell goes bankrupt they only lose that one patent, which has been shown to be worthless anyway
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