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Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by mst »

suprgeek wrote: post #11

Awesome Principled Stand by Newegg! This is one of the reasons to support buying from them. However this only underscores how easy it is to sue over flimsy patents and how expensive and time-consuming it is to go after and shut down these horrible trolls. Add to this the fact that Patent reform was killed in the Senate by Pat Leahy & Harry Reid (Both of whom are notorious supporters of trial lawyers & pharma) and it…

What fascinates me is how easy it is to fight if you practice. Lee Cheng is impressive, but I suspect his secret weapon is actually having fought a bunch of such cases knowing he has a 'fuck them, they are going to lose' mandate. An enemy who's very practiced at -not- settling is probably not something his opponents know how to deal with.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by gamerDude »

mixmax wrote: post #14

It seems to me that the legal system in the US is largely broken, and that just about anyone can be sued if only you find the right grounds. Being sued and defending yourself is enormously expensive which is what patent trolls exploit. Why not use this offensively against patent trolls? Find all sorts of ways to take them to court, the American legal seems to have plenty of opportunities in that regard. There are som…

If you could put plenty of arguments and the right team together, perhaps you could raise money from a host of technology companies to pursue this.

If you can grind them to a halt or even perhaps drive them to bankruptcy and potentially buy up their patents to open to the public, this could be fundable.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by cryowaffle »

joshjdr wrote: post #46

I agree with the principle presented here... but before we all hail Newegg, I'll explain why I have not conducted business with this company since 2009... Here is a letter I wrote Amex then, disputing a nasty transaction with this company.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/8b8dg9diowqz48y/Amex%20Dispute%20R... This is real, and I won.

Trust me, I am doing you a favor: Your redaction technique is very poor. Almost every redaction you used allows us to see the tops and bottoms of the letters which is enough to recreate all the hidden characters.

Partial redaction is no redaction.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by neurobro »

joshjdr wrote: post #46

I agree with the principle presented here... but before we all hail Newegg, I'll explain why I have not conducted business with this company since 2009... Here is a letter I wrote Amex then, disputing a nasty transaction with this company.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/8b8dg9diowqz48y/Amex%20Dispute%20R... This is real, and I won.

What's the point of redaction if you keep enough of the data intact to trivially reconstruct it?

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by danieltillett »

Does anyone know why these cases are so expensive to defend? They can't be that complex given the troll basically has nothing. Could you not just hire a junior lawyer out college for next to nothing and put them in charge of running all the defences?

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by saturdayplace »

jerrytsai wrote: post #9
tdicola wrote: post #4

Wow I love that they're taking a stand, and got quite a laugh out of the image. Definitely makes me want to support Newegg as a customer much more in the future.

+1

Instead of posting a comment like this, it's generally better just to upvote the comment you're agreeing with. The mods are trying to optimize the signal:noise, and there's not much signal in a two-character comment.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by cynicalkane »

glesica wrote: post #32
mixmax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

be a bit more creative. It's known who the parent company is, so sue them. Since you're basically just suing for whatever you can get away with you should of course go for the mother ship.

But there isn't always (or even usually) a "mothership" from what we've seen lately. Look at the Prenda Law saga (Ars Technica has some great write-ups). They can't even figure out who officially owns the company, it is almost entirely opaque. I think the problem is that corporate personhood has run completely amok. It is far too easy to invent a new corporate person with little or no visible or even provable connect…

It's worth pointing out that corporate personhood in the commercial sense is not the same as corporate personhood in the Citizens United sense. Governments are free to regulate how a 'corporate person' can come into existence and do business. They are just bad at it.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by icpmacdo »

the_watcher wrote: post #27
mixmax wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's where the crowdsourcing comes in :-) I'm sure there are young lawyers that would like to give some of these cases a try. Surely there must be someone with a conscience in that line of business. I could also imagine that companies and individuals might want to donate.

Adam Carolla is spearheading a group of the top podcasts in the world doing exactly this. I've donated, I know Carolla can rub people the wrong way, but he's the guy you want running something like this, since he'll spend a ton of his own money to prove his point. http://fundanything.com/patenttroll?locale=en

Carolla's opines are based in logic I have always found. I can not donate to his cause because I find it impossible to justify another countries broken legal system has to accept bribes to stop from destroying innovation.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by joshjdr »

joshjdr wrote: post #46

I agree with the principle presented here... but before we all hail Newegg, I'll explain why I have not conducted business with this company since 2009... Here is a letter I wrote Amex then, disputing a nasty transaction with this company.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/8b8dg9diowqz48y/Amex%20Dispute%20R... This is real, and I won.

Understood, and totally redacted now.

Look, I was just trying to present some truth, at least my truth.

I tried to anonymize, but I understand the audience here is pretty sophisticated..

If anyone wants to advise on how to share this better please advise. I'm not trying to hate, just share some facts. I was surprised the seemingly fanboy level reaction to Newegg here. I did a fair amount of business with them previously and their behavior in this case was truly objectionable. This isn't exactly a Snowden level revelation... I was just saying this company isn't exactly a bunch of angels...

I now use Amazon for what I used to buy from Newegg. They cost a bit more for some things but are a stand up company and have always stood behind their sales. If something doesn't work they accept a return (which is commendable), and if something is delivered broken (which is what happened in this case) they don't give you a rash of sh*t.

Re: Don't mess with Newegg

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Post by TheMagicHorsey »

Lee is a hero. Most patent lawyers talk in very measured tones when it comes to patent trolls, because they don't want to foreclose the possibility of feeding at the money faucet themselves.

Lee doesn't give a fuck. He straight up calls them thieves and asshats. Baller status.

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