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Is It Better to Rent or Buy?

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My wife and I found a great apartment to rent. It was spacious, quiet location, reasonable rent. We were happy for a few years. Then the owners sold the complex, and the new owners set out to remodel everything, very much against our wishes. Construction crews started entering our apartment. They came in while we were out, laying down plastic sheets and moving our furniture around. They sometimes came in while I was…

I am a renter as well but we have pretty strict rental agreement regarding these kinds of things. The owner is not even allowed to enter the property without my prior permission or a certain amount of notice.

When you are paying for someone else's house, please do not be afraid to protect yourself with a proper, binding rental-agreement/contract.

Edit: I live in Canada incase that makes a difference.

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Author here. Thought I’d highlight my favorite, perhaps non-obvious feature: the slope of the charts tells you whether the variable is positively or negatively correlated with the cost of buying. And depending on the settings, that slope can change from positive to negative. For example with the defaults, the down payment chart is flat. This means the total cost of buying is relatively unaffected by the size of your…

One risk associated with owning that doesn't often get mentioned but that is more relevant these days is your exposure to misgovernance of your local governments. There were a few scares in the municipal bonds markets in recent years but home buyers should recognize that they are exposed to similar risks. After all it is the taxes they pay that will be needed to pay back the municipal debt. If a city were to get into…

Unless you're somehow securing multi-year leases, that's a cost that is passing on to you as well.

You also need to factor in the value of negative impacts of renting. When you have kids, school selection is driven by location -- and a lease is more ephemeral than a mortgage. You also always need to deal with landlords, who can be good or bad, and often cannot make changes to the property that you would like.

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We’re not currently including mortgage insurance, no. You could approximate it by increasing the mortgage rate, but the tax treatment of mortgage insurance payments may be different and so that may not be accurate. Perhaps this is something we can add in the next iteration of the calculator. The interaction between down payment rate and mortgage insurance rate also reveals a limitation of our user interface: On the o…

Maybe instead of just having reasonable defaults, you could include reasonable ranges through a background gradient on each graph (darker for more common, lighter for less common)? With that, you could manipulate the reasonable ranges through interactions between graphs, while still allowing people to set the actual number anywhere they pleased. Also: big fan. Thanks for d3.

Definitely. We actually designed something like that, but due to time constraints weren’t able to ship it (yet). One complication is that a reasonable range for a given variable can depend on other variables. But hopefully we’ll figure it out.

And thank you!

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post #79

My wife and I found a great apartment to rent. It was spacious, quiet location, reasonable rent. We were happy for a few years. Then the owners sold the complex, and the new owners set out to remodel everything, very much against our wishes. Construction crews started entering our apartment. They came in while we were out, laying down plastic sheets and moving our furniture around. They sometimes came in while I was…

Which country was this in? I find it incredible...is it everywhere like this?

If you are in the states and are not in a place with an extremely well established rental market run by professional landlords, it is probably like that.

Of course, most places require that landlords give the tenant some amount of notice before entering the home (generally a day or so), but taping a notice to the renter's door that said "remodeling starts tomorrow and will last a month" would probably cover that.

Some states have renter's law that says something like "if your rental is unusable because of construction or damage or what have you" that you can seek "equivalent premises at the market rate" and bill your landlord, but I suspect if you do that you'd better start shopping for a new place to live and limbering up your small claims court documentation.

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The bottom line in the states is that you probably have decent rental protection but will have to sue the guy you are buying a roof from if they don't voluntarily play nice.

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post #52

When interest rates are low, prices are high, and when rates are high, prices are low. It's fairly straight-forward. Your payment works out about the same. You should buy when rates are high and prices are low because you can renegotiate the rate later. You can't renegotiate the price. Rates are still pretty low now, and thus I continue to rent.

Makes sense on the surface, but historically this hasn't been true.

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post #64

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Broaden your horizons, perhaps? Manhattan & downtown San Francisco are not the only interesting places in the world.

If one of your major criteria is a walkable city (ie, no car required) within the US, that list is very short and very expensive. Leaving the country broadens your options considerably, but that also adds its own complications.

If you demand walkable, then yes, you are up a creek. The only way to get purely walkable, with your grocer, theater, and night club all within a fifteen minute stroll, is high-density which generally happens in the heart of large cities, and is indeed expensive.

But how about bicycle-able? My town is about 5 miles square, very bike-able, and I was able to buy a townhouse at twenty-five.

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From what I've seen, you generally need a 12-24 month lease to rent a house. I can sell my house whenever I want (or leave and rent it out to someone else), but if I'm stuck in a 24 month lease I'm stuck for the next 2 years.

I speak solely from my experience in California, but I've been renting for like 10 years now (in a variety of places, houses and apartments), and the way its always worked for me is a 12-year lease followed by month to month. The penalty for breaking the lease was always pretty lenient too. May be different in other places though.

12-year leases?!?! Please tell me that is a typo and you meant months.

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This calculator ignores the fact that the market for real estate buyers is increasingly global but the rental market is local.

If you are in your 20's and grew up in a middle class family in Vancouver, Toronto, Sydney, Melbourne or Auckland, and have a middle class job, it is virtually impossible for you to be able to afford to buy a house in the city in which you grew up. E.g., here's a New Yorker article on the impact of the global property market in Vancouver: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2014/05/26/140526ta_....

The political fallout from the intergenerational inequality over property ownership in Canada, Australia and NZ is going to be very interesting to watch...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I speak solely from my experience in California, but I've been renting for like 10 years now (in a variety of places, houses and apartments), and the way its always worked for me is a 12-year lease followed by month to month. The penalty for breaking the lease was always pretty lenient too. May be different in other places though.

12-year leases?!?! Please tell me that is a typo and you meant months.

yup, 12-month sorry.

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post #48

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"If you rent, you can leave whenever the heck you want and then go live wherever the heck you want. " You can do that when you own as well. You have to sell your house. After all you can't just get out of a lease whenever you want it goes according to a fixed time period. You have constraints as far as lease renewal, term and things like that. If you own you can decide at any point to sell (although certain times of…

"You can do that when you own as well. You have to sell your house. " This is so incredibly wrong. Selling a house can be a massive and expensive undertaking. Assuming agents are involved, you can expect to pay 6-9% of the value of the house in costs (agent fees, closing costs, etc), assuming the buyer doesn't find something that is against code or something that is starting to fail (furnace, roof, etc). You buy a ho…

"You buy a house tomorrow for $200k and want to sell it in 18 months because of a job opportunity or family emergency?"

Well it goes without saying (and this is always true for anything you read on the web, right?) that the specifics of each persons circumstances need to be taken into account.

Along those lines there are people that:

a) Own their own business so they aren't employed by anyone and don't have a job opportunity to consider.

b) Those in "a" have businesses that they intend to stick with and further may be tied down by either family or their wife's occupation (or children)

c) Have considerable assets or family they wouldn't have to bail out.

In any case along the lines of "family emergency" how would thinking of that situation allow anyone to ever take a chance or buy a house?

What about having a startup (as only one example) and then having a "family emergency"?

"Otherwise you're taking a $12,000-18,000 hit when you sell it"

The main problem that I had with this article's slant is that it tried to quantify things in a way that made you think that all that mattered were dollars. Not everyone thinks like that. Or cares if they were to lose 12 to 18k they'd rather be a homeowner and live in a community as a homeowner rather than a renter in either an apartment building (with more transient residents) or as a renter in a condo or even as a renter in a neighborhood. And they are willing to part with money in order to do that. Same way some people might decide to spend $5000 on a vacation or $50,000 for an airplane (when flying the airlines obviously is cheaper in most cases).

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