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How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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It's a bit of a disturbing read for a couple of reasons: - Going to an early stage start up as a young father is not a sacrifice, it's a selfish act. You are thinking more about yourself and what you want to do (and not do) rather than what's best for your family. Hate the idea of a 9-to-5 job? Well, suck it: the regular hours and clockwork and guaranteed paycheck will go a long way toward making your family more sta…

You raise some valid points for sure, obviously, we make choices: whether we go to college or not, put in that extra hour at work or not, go out with friends, hang out with a spouse/child, watch a sunset, etc. and ultimately, we have to accept our actions, consider the consequences/risks and respond as necessary.

" Hate the idea of a 9-to-5 job? Well, suck it: the regular hours and clockwork and guaranteed paycheck will go a long way toward making your family more stable and stress free. "

See, it's not that simple. What if hating that 9-5 job means he is angry and depressed and takes it out on his family or decides to give in to some sort of escape (alcoholism, extra-marital affairs, etc.)? Is it worth it then?

Don't convince yourself that a 9-5 is stable, it isn't. They are typically more stable than startups but far from rock solid. You can be laid off tomorrow due to a sudden market change, or nasty office politics. Then what? Was it worth it not to give yourself (and by extension, those that depend on you) leverage? Maybe, maybe not.

It is a complicated matter; for some, the risk of sacrificing some time now in hopes of a better future is worth it, for others, it isn't. Some would much rather have a dead-end job, barely make ends meet but spend 8 hours a day with their kids/family/friends. Others would sacrifice some relationships in order to achieve a greater goal - be it in pursuit of self-actualization or better living conditions, etc.

Author clearly thinks about his daughter and from the responses, am convinced he wants her to know that he cares for her. There's no clear cut answer and there will always be a sacrifice involved when we want something.

For some, the return of investing in relationships far outweighs the financial return of working above-average hours (I am learning this more and more). I personally think it is often worth sacrificing work/money for relationships; but at the same time, let's not forget the people who sacrificed their lives for their work. It is claimed that Nikola Tesla - at the latter end of his life - expressed regret at not getting married and sacrificing so much for his work. But without that sacrifice, where would we be as a society today? Of course, not everyone's result is as noble or far-reaching, but the truth about life is that there will always be a sacrifice to achieve something greater, the ultimate question is: Is it worth it? For that, there is no universal answer.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely true. I work less now and get far more done (I would say more than 3x) of what I did when I was pulling 7-days-a-week work marathons. People waste lifetimes thinking they are working hard but are really just puttering around. It's been stated by authors (I mentioned Tony Shwartz in another comment and I highly recommend his book) but I offer this analogy: Consider you are standing next to a roaring ri…

I'm not saying that focus isn't a key to improved productivity. My question is, what does it have to do with being at a startup? His argument is that focusing AT A STARTUP can make you 3x more productive...it makes no sense. Focus alone can make you more productive, I don't see why the setting of a startup changes that multiplier.

You are right, it should not. But it does for many people...because it's LIONS.

(The lions are always there, people are just more acutely aware of them at a startup.)

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I like the sentiment. When I started my first true startup, after being an executive in a high profile one, we put our own capital in and then literally 6 months later, we conceived triplets spontaneously while having a 2 year old son.

While I was terrified of what would happen with the startup and the family, there was no question to me that we had to stay on the path. That startup ultimately was sold in a good outcome and I am now two startups past that. My kids are now 11 and 9*3. They know that I work in startups and many times they visit the office and hangout.

While I have some regrets, like flying to Europe every 2-3 weeks post acquisition for over a year, I want my kids to know that I do what I do because I love it and it is how I put bread on the table. While I don't wish my life choices on them, I want them to know that being the master of their own destiny is a choice their dad has fully embraced whatever they decide.

All of that said, even when I was flying to Europe, I made it a point to move heaven and earth to be home with them every single weekend during that period of time and was actively and highly engaged while at home. While you can choose to work hard, you also have to choose to be a great father and role model IMO.

Great piece.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that focus isn't a key to improved productivity. My question is, what does it have to do with being at a startup? His argument is that focusing AT A STARTUP can make you 3x more productive...it makes no sense. Focus alone can make you more productive, I don't see why the setting of a startup changes that multiplier.

You are right, it should not. But it does for many people...because it's LIONS. (The lions are always there, people are just more acutely aware of them at a startup.)

You are conflating focus with fear and risk/reward evaluation. Those are not at all related, though, when focused you might be able to see another way out that was not apparent when you were just afraid and not focused.

A panicked jump into a roaring river can kill you just a surely as a well reasoned one.

But that smoldering fire to your left contains a branch long enough that waving it around a couple of times creates a flame an lions are scared of fire.

(If you can conjure up Lions, rivers and green grass to make your point I don't see why my imaginary fire is an illegal device. It could have been a machine gun for the same money, you'd dine on lion steak and congratulate yourself for not trying to swim to the other side of the river).

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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"My dear Daughter, Wait for me." Of all the things that might happen, much as we'd like it to be different, I can guarantee that this is one which won't happen. However upsetting it may be now (or looking back in the future), time isn't going to wait for you and all those firsts, all those events and experiences you miss, won't wait and won't happen again. We tell ourselves it isn't a choice but for many of us it is.…

Couldn't agree more. The post is very well written and reads like a poem, but the message is terrible on all counts. It sounds like a soldier being forced to go to battle crying for the family he leaves behind, where in fact it's entirely his own choices. And if it's some sort of an internal torment, being torn between two passions that conflict with one another, then I would suggest he gets a grip and decide which s…

Like many here, I have aspirations of starting a company one day. At one point about 5 years ago, I tried and failed to start a company with a colleague, then tried and failed to start consulting. I hope to try again on one or both of those in the future.

But in the meantime, I have a daughter due in a few months and I know that the most important things for her are that I have a steady income and that I be around for her and my wife as much as I can. Being a (new) entrepreneur allows neither of those things. Maybe when she's a bit older I can think about striking out on my own, but for now it would be selfish to do so.

It's self-serving to set up a schedule like the OP did, then complain that you don't have enough time to spend with your family. You have no one to blame but yourself; we in the tech industry have the luxury right now to have a large demand for our labour for wages well above the median. Most people in the world can't say that and have to make compromises. We don't. To make compromises anyway is to play the martyr card.

If, as a technologist, you don't get a chance to see your daughter, it's because you prioritized something else over her.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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"My dear Daughter, Wait for me." Of all the things that might happen, much as we'd like it to be different, I can guarantee that this is one which won't happen. However upsetting it may be now (or looking back in the future), time isn't going to wait for you and all those firsts, all those events and experiences you miss, won't wait and won't happen again. We tell ourselves it isn't a choice but for many of us it is.…

> We tell ourselves it isn't a choice but for many of us it is. Most of us could earn enough money to support our family comfortably in a relatively regular 9 - 5 job. We might not be personally as satisfied and we might not be as financially well off, but we can choose one possible version of our life over another. I'm currently in the 9-5 job and maybe I'm just a whiner, but I feel the same as this guy. I hate the…

> me on a psychologist's couch

Maybe that's something that could actually help. You sound like you're suffering from depression and it's a difficult cycle to get out of (for those that are blessed to be able to).

Maybe this is superficial but here's a few suggestions that improved my outlook on life when I was in a similar situation:

- I chose to drive an alternate route to work that was longer, but involved a more scenic trip. I began to appreciate it more.

- I started podcasting extensively (I use Downcast on IOS and listen at 1.5x speed). Story-based podcasts were helpful - The Moth, This American Life, Planet Money, Freakonomics, The Truth, etc.

- Audiobooks can be very distracting for commutes. My local library had a good selection and Audible/Audiobooks.com aren't that expensive.

- I went to the local thrift store and bought some desk lamps. They were gaudy but fun. I put two in my cube.

- I hung Christmas lights in my cube.

- I went to Big Box Hardware store and bought a small area run and put it at the cube entrance.

- I bought a round convex mirror on Amazon and hung it behind my monitors so I could see the cube door.

- I got desk plants (http://www.mossandstonegardens.com/mossrocks.php) to add some green to my environment.

Those simple things made my work environment much better ( I still wanted to leave, true, but it helped). Maybe that can make your life slightly better too.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Not so long ago I posted a message I then reposted and managed a -4 Karma somehow.

I was going to take a big leap in to a post with salaries far beyond what I would pay myself. Many here told me to take the risk, go for it etc etc. But I chose my family over a fat pay-check. No regrets!

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