He really uses internet explorer?
So? What difference dose it make?
Terry Davis Uses This
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#62I have a lot of respect for Terry and it's nice to see him included alongside other developers. He's not the most likeable guy, but I doubt he's happy about that either. He writes software to be beautiful. He can take pride in his work because his intentions are absolutely pure. When I program, I take shortcuts to ship as quickly as possible, and then I throw some ads on the final product to make money. I am a sellou…
No kidding. When one looks at everything he's wrote from scratch thus far, it is more than very impressive. If not for the skills, at least for the dedication. I get bored with projects 1/10th of the size.
Programmers don't realize how much they lose by constantly chasing the latest language, the latest frameworks, the latest new abstractions of software development that require so much past work to be thrown away. Terry's volume of output is available to anyone that's willing to just whittle away at one thing, in small pieces, for more than a few years.
(I'm not diminishing Terry's volume of work here, but encouraging other programmers to consider adopting a nice, slow side project.)
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You poor people don't know God. This is a blaming statement and is misleading in and of itself. How can you possibly know what I know or what I don't know?
Don't worry about it. He is schizophrenic and believes God talks directly to him. If you had this problem, you probably wouldn't want to take medication for it. He thinks he has been chosen. It really isn't under his control.
I had an uncle with schizophrenia (and a father with much less severe symptoms). You are right that you wouldn't want to take medication for it. To the schizophrenic mind, the benefits of schizophrenia far outweigh the costs -- and besides, you can't really trust anybody else to be either competent enough to medicate you, or to have your best interests in mind when medicating.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
please do, they are certainly caused by his schizophrenia. In much the same way a Tourettes sufferer cannot control their compulsion to say inappropriate things.
But you can edit your post before or even a while after sending it.
It is much harder to edit the thinking that led you to write it in the first place.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you can edit your post before or even a while after sending it.
It is much harder to edit the thinking that led you to write it in the first place.
While I understand the thought process behind giving the mentally ill a free pass when it comes to saying things which seem inappropriate to the rest of us, I also understand that those of us that suffer from those illnesses also have valid political and social preferences and opinions.
I've met plenty of mentally ill individuals who were as kind as can be. I've also met individuals that are filled with a special kind of hatred.
The question I have : Are there any documents or papers that Terry has written that go against his insensitive and racist ramblings, and explain that his inappropriate use of certain terms that the rest of us would never touch? If there is no formal explanation of language, how can everyone be so sure that the hatred is indeed generated by an illness rather than a hateful person with an uncommon opinion?
I know, a formal letter from someone with a mental illness seems like a stretch to ask for, but Terry has been extraordinary in every other facet. He's a true hacker, OS author, and the creator of a language. He commonly posts opinions he has on new articles on his own site, and the posts are relatively lucid, as are technical aspects of his work. I don't think that an explanation of his language use is unworkable, however I do not have any firm grasp on how he interprets reality and can only judge the difficulty on that job in comparison to the difficulty of the work he has already shown he's quite capable at (his OS, for example).
I know everyone is going to jump down my throat about all of this, so let me summarize at least what i'm try to get across for anyone that might misunderstand.
1) schizophrenia and racism can exist individually. (however, Schizophrenia can also form racisms.)
2) an individual looking in really has no grasp on what is or is not formed by the condition rather than the individual
3) It's wrong to assume someone isn't something they practice, simply due to a personal flaw. (Example: I'd hate to be the world's biggest racist stuck in the body of a Tourette's patient, everyone would probably blame my rants which I worked so hard on on the disease)
(to those of you in this thread that mention Terry doesn't use racial language to describe race : please read more of his work, you're incorrect. Example : http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/Ra... )
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#66As much as I feel sorry for this guy, can't look past his racist rants :(
If you pay attention, his use of the word "nigger" is not directed at black people. The word may offend people but his way of relating to the world is different, you aren't understanding much if you assume he means things the same as you do.
The link to BlackPast.org on his site[0] disagrees.
Usually if he's trying to be insensitive to a different race, he just hyphenates that race along with the word you mentioned.
Although, I do agree that most of his use of that word can probably be changed to some other generally negative word and make just as much sense. He usually isn't implying a race.
[0] http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/Ra...
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is much harder to edit the thinking that led you to write it in the first place.
While I understand the thought process behind giving the mentally ill a free pass when it comes to saying things which seem inappropriate to the rest of us, I also understand that those of us that suffer from those illnesses also have valid political and social preferences and opinions. I've met plenty of mentally ill individuals who were as kind as can be. I've also met individuals that are filled with a special kin…
I'm going to throw out your entire argument here and simply point out that Terry doesn't get a "free pass". Every account he's created here, and there have been a few, get insta-banned. Only people with showdead turned on can even see what he writes.
The original comment was about not being able to "see past" Terry's comments. Somehow this has devolved into an attempted debate about antisocial behavior. But, you have to take people as entire individuals, the good with the bad. Orson Scott Card is a talented writer, and a bigot. Tom Cruise is an amazing actor, and a prominent member of a worldwide cult. Terry is a respectable programmer, and mentally ill.
We all have different boundaries. If you really find it impossible to consider Terry's work because of his behavior, then so be it; it's not up to me to convince you otherwise. But, a lot of other people are quite capable of discussing his work, respectfully, without getting hung up on his illness.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you pay attention, his use of the word "nigger" is not directed at black people. The word may offend people but his way of relating to the world is different, you aren't understanding much if you assume he means things the same as you do.
The link to BlackPast.org on his site[0] disagrees. Usually if he's trying to be insensitive to a different race, he just hyphenates that race along with the word you mentioned. Although, I do agree that most of his use of that word can probably be changed to some other generally negative word and make just as much sense. He usually isn't implying a race. [0] http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/…
In case someone didn't bother to read the whole thing: "India-niggers are retards -- set them to work and you'll soon have Linux."
And if you google "India-niggers":
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378346945
https://twitter.com/TempleOS/status/337550571248689152
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/?task=search2&search_u...
From youtube (https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=EtZv9aC2dKw&threaded=...): "India niggers are dumb as a stump and somehow still arrogant. "nomad" means you can move from any computer to any other computer. Computers were probably clusterfucked by the time the india niggers arrived and they're all confused. Everybody knoew what a directory was--you just copied files around."
india-niggers moved into programming like a neighborhood gets less white. There were no india niggers in the 1980's--they were all in calcutta. There's a whole generation of C64 and Apple II programmers who existed before india-niggers. the India niggers are all clueless
Re: Terry Davis Uses This
#69As much as I feel sorry for this guy, can't look past his racist rants :(
please do, they are certainly caused by his schizophrenia. In much the same way a Tourettes sufferer cannot control their compulsion to say inappropriate things.
He's clearly conscious when he's making these remarks. See my comment below.
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When we speak of TempleOS, and you mention "He can take pride in", I am reminded of this wonderful thread at mefi from 2012: Terry: "The flight simulator reduces how far you can see into the distance and how wide the display is. It's nothing to be proud of, except, it show the potential for absolute control over the other cores from within a game." Commenter, in response: "bro i think you can be proud of the flight s…
That's always been my favorite response to him, as well. It made me tear up a bit reading it. Here's the thread, for anyone interested: http://www.metafilter.com/119424/An-Operating-System-for-Son...
thanks for the link, that was a great read.