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How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Nope. Nope. Nope. She won't wait for you, mate. Time doesn't wait. If you want to be with your family, they have to be your priority before any fame, glory, and wealth from your ability to churn out ideas or sling some code.

Don't live a life of regret. Make do with less. Maybe get there slower, but be a happier person.

I'm in a similar situation in that I have two young children (under 5) and I am the co-founder of a small-ish startup in healthcare. I make sure to leave every day at 5pm so I can be with my kids for a few hours. If I have a busy week, I'll get up earlier (5 or 6am) and get my work done earlier in the day.

If additional work needs to get done, it gets done after they go to bed.

Importantly, my co-founders also have families and value them as I do. If that were not the case, I would not be involved in this company.

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There is no rule that people working at startups need to work more hours than anybody else for the startup to 'be real'. Do yourself a favor and close up shop at 6 and have dinner with your family. Your weekly productivity will go up as your 'restless soul' finds the peace it needs. Your happiness levels will go up and your effective productivity will follow suit.

I've worked in two early stage start-ups since I became a dad a few years ago, as employee 1 and 2. I do a few things to help me stay involved as a father: 1. Unless there's a real emergency, which is rare, I leave the office around 6-7, even if I still have work planned for today. It's not really early but it leaves me a couple of hours with my kids (I live really close to work, like a 10 minute motorcycle ride). 2.…

I'll be a father in a couple of weeks but I've been working on a "life/work balance" for quite a while now. If it ever comes up with a client I remind them that we're running a marathon, not a sprint, and that putting in a solid 8 (or 9), consistently, week in and week out can get a tremendous amount of work done. It's really easy to work too much and burn out, even if you have a lot of experience -- and 40 hours per week is a huge amount of time if you're making every hour count.

Kudos for making extra time for your kids. I plan on doing the same.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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There is no amount of money that can make up for missing dinner times, bed times, play times and even bad times that you experience with your kids. Don't fool yourself into thinking "once I get this right, I'll have all the time in the world to spend with my kids". This will never happen, and if it does it will be too late to form that close bond, and share your life with your kids. I'm in to work (my own business) a…

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Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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"My dear Daughter, Wait for me." Of all the things that might happen, much as we'd like it to be different, I can guarantee that this is one which won't happen. However upsetting it may be now (or looking back in the future), time isn't going to wait for you and all those firsts, all those events and experiences you miss, won't wait and won't happen again. We tell ourselves it isn't a choice but for many of us it is.…

I would agree with this. People have a way of heavily discounting the present in favor of the uncertain future. It becomes a habit, almost an addiction, to medicate feelings in the present (FUD - perhaps their anxiety over being a parent, even). A friend of mine uses the term "future tripping" - I like it.

I will give this guy a lot of credit for honesty. It's tempting to pretend that starting a company is something you are doing solely to provide a better life for others, when the truth is it is just as often, if not more so, for the self-actualization need of the founder.

From the wife/kid's perspective - they want you to be happy, but they also want you to be present and engaged. From that perspective, what you do to make the money isn't so important as the fact that you can provide, and be part of the fun.

"believing that this is the great sacrifice I must make, the choice I took upon myself for the betterment of the family, for you, but I know that’s not entirely true A little or a lot, it’s for me This addiction or obsession I seem to have with work"

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I think Paul Graham summed up the situation fairly well when he wrote:

"Economically, you can think of a startup as a way to compress your whole working life into a few years. Instead of working at a low intensity for forty years, you work as hard as you possibly can for four. This pays especially well in technology, where you earn a premium for working fast."

and this:

"Combine all these multipliers, and I'm claiming you could be 36 times more productive than you're expected to be in a random corporate job."

and the reasons why we might want to do a startup:

"For example, one way to make a million dollars would be to work for the Post Office your whole life, and save every penny of your salary. Imagine the stress of working for the Post Office for fifty years. In a startup you compress all this stress into three or four years. You do tend to get a certain bulk discount if you buy the economy-size pain, but you can't evade the fundamental conservation law. If starting a startup were easy, everyone would do it."

http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html

That essay can be read both as an inspiration and as a warning. On the positive side, it is good to realize how much you can achieve in a few short years. On the negative side, you must be wholly focused on one thing during those few short years. The rest of your life needs to put on hold.

A personal anecdote: I am a bit of a news junkie, and I typically spend an hour or two a day reading the news, but when I had my own startup, I gave up reading the news. For the years 2003 to 2004, and for most of 2006, I rarely read the news. That was a huge change of personal habits for me. But avoiding the news was important for me to stay focused. I would write code for 12 hours a day, sometimes 14 hours a day. I think one has to have a very narrow focus during the first year or two of a startup.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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There is no rule that people working at startups need to work more hours than anybody else for the startup to 'be real'. Do yourself a favor and close up shop at 6 and have dinner with your family. Your weekly productivity will go up as your 'restless soul' finds the peace it needs. Your happiness levels will go up and your effective productivity will follow suit.

I completely agree.

Tho mine wasn't a "startup", I started a web design and hosting business when my son was 2, I worked ALL the time for a good year or 2. I had the luxury of working from home so I didn't really miss big moments, but I did put a serious strain on the relationships between myself and my family. I was even glued to hosting issues when we were on vacations, sitting at my laptop a couple hours a day.

If I could go back, I would definitely give myself 8-10 hours a day max, be home and present with my family by 6. On days where I needed more time, I should have woken up at 5.

I added probably 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, to be more productive back then, but knowing I had those hours, I probably slowed down 2 extra hours a day, and those extra six hours were tired hours, so I was probably only productive for about 3 of them.

The way I look at it, I probably maybe gained an extra week of work time a month back then, and every project I was working on I could have EASILY asked for 1 more week to finish.

Anyway, regret sucks, and looking back, I should have worked smarter and not harder.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

#37

There is no amount of money that can make up for missing dinner times, bed times, play times and even bad times that you experience with your kids. Don't fool yourself into thinking "once I get this right, I'll have all the time in the world to spend with my kids". This will never happen, and if it does it will be too late to form that close bond, and share your life with your kids. I'm in to work (my own business) a…

Agreed 100%. My little girl is almost 2 and I while I can't say I've been there for every moment, she has been my priority #1. There are too many precious moments and missing just one of them is an awful feeling.

To each their own, but I would never sacrifice a moment with my daughter unless is was absolutely necessary. As contrary as it might seem to people in the startup bubble, the importance placed on most day-to-day work is an illusion.

Pop the bubble and hug your kids. In the long run, that relationship will mean much, much more to you.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I think Paul Graham summed up the situation fairly well when he wrote: "Economically, you can think of a startup as a way to compress your whole working life into a few years. Instead of working at a low intensity for forty years, you work as hard as you possibly can for four. This pays especially well in technology, where you earn a premium for working fast." and this: "Combine all these multipliers, and I'm claimin…

That's predicated on things working out. In the real world the chances are very large that you will simply lose the years and get nothing back for it. And even if things work out, nothing will give you back the first four years of your childs life. Been there, done that.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

#39
As a parent (of now a teenager who is barreling towards college) - I would advise to work a lot, but work will always be there. Your kids will not. Your life should be what you do when you are not working - not the other way around.

Many years ago, I was working 80+ hour weeks, week after week, and my daughter was very young. Consistently, I would not even SEE her from Thursday morning until Saturday afternoon.

I burned out on that job. I felt shell-shocked. I went to dinner with my wife and realized that we had grown apart. I hated that. I hated missing my daughter growing up.

I hated that my daily thoughts were about work, what was happening with work, and that my interactions with my coworkers had overridden my interaction with my family.

So I decided that my life would revolve around my family, and who I was outside of work, not the other way around. Over the years I have changed jobs, started companies, had wild success, had some failures, but through it all I felt even-keel because it all felt like my LIFE was the same. The cubicles, the coworkers, the employees, those all change but my wife and daughter, the life we share, that has been constant. I actually don't feel like I've changed jobs at all even though in reality I've worked at about 6 different places and started 2 companies.

Don't think that work and success will make it alright in the end. It won't. Don't believe people who think you are slacking because you aren't working 100 hours a week. Those people aren't executing efficiently. I can promise you this is true because I have left a trail of Type A 'go-go-go' personalities in my wake because they couldn't match my output and drive, even though they were burning midnight oil and I was at home watching Jeopardy! with the fam.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't listen to all of those people who are making horrible mistakes. Work hard, but read 'The Power of Full Engagement' by Tony Shwartz and realize that you can work like mad and relax and you will beat the crap out of everyone around you.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I think Paul Graham summed up the situation fairly well when he wrote: "Economically, you can think of a startup as a way to compress your whole working life into a few years. Instead of working at a low intensity for forty years, you work as hard as you possibly can for four. This pays especially well in technology, where you earn a premium for working fast." and this: "Combine all these multipliers, and I'm claimin…

The !POTENTIAL! return is correlated with the amount of "focussing on one thing during those short few years".

You may end up loosing your kids childhood while still working normal hours the rest of your/his/her life. That is provided not to much of your own money is in your startup, if that is the case you loose even more.

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